Tractor News New Kubota M7 Series

[5030]

Re: New "M7" Series

The answer for me, based on experience, is the Tier 4 final. Please look at the posts on here where owners are fighting to resolve mechanical injection pump problems and compare to the numbers having problem with their Tier 4 final. And your specific problem - getting the crop in before the rain hits. Twice this season I was the only one out there still putting up hay as the clouds were boiling in while my brother-in-law was exchanging tractors because of another fuel system problem. And we are not talking trucks on this off-highway forum.

Oh, and by the way my experience is not based solely on 1 Tier4 interim (actually I have 2 Tier4 interim). In the job from which I retired I had my own fleet of machines from no controls all the way through Tier 4 final. Mechanical controlled pumps by far the worst reliability and worst fuel economy. 26 HP/liter, noisy, really sucked. Tier 4 final 40HP/liter, 25% improved fuel economy. It's like in the old gasoline engine days with carburetors that over fuel so as not to burn pistons, required frequent maintenance to keep tuned. Unburned fuel contaminating oil. Fuel economy - you couldn't call it economy in those days. That is where diesels are working from starting 11 years ago when the first emissions regulations were implemented. Sure there have been missteps along the way. But today I visited my uncle who was a heavy equipment operator most of his working career. Dying of bladder cancer. One of the reasons we have the emissions regulations now is because so compiling the statistics on guys like him and finding people operating in a high diesel exhaust environment have a higher risk of developing certain cancers, bladder cancer being one. Did it contribute to my uncle's cancer? No way to ever prove it beyond doubt but the statistics indicate it. I live in a mining area. It is depressing going to the largest hospital in our area where the ex-miners are waiting for their chemo and radiation therapy for their cancers. How much because people like to see cancer causing black soot coming out of their exhaust?

What you seem to miss is the componentry and manufacturers of those components are o ne in the same, Class 8 engine or tractor engine, no difference. Your 'red herring' about this isn't an off road or ruck forum is bs. I'm referring to intrinsic compones and their impact on reliablilty.

You can supposdly get cancer from a cell phone, so what bearing does cancer have to do with discussing th reliability and longevity of a Tier 4 Final engine..... nothing of course.

I do not want to argue with you. If you want one, go buy one, while you are at it, buy me one as well. If it's free, I'll take one. I'm not about to pay for one (at least until the reliability issues are addressed). until then, I'll keep my smokers.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Re: New "M7" Series

Secondly, it's an orange painted Challenger, made at that factory (Challenger/MF). Nothing new execpt the paint, the badging and the DEF tank along with a DPF cannister and EGR, all detrimental to long life.

FYI. This is built by Kubota in a new factory. They are using a Z/F transmission that Agco (and many other) companies also use.. but the rest of it is all Kubota.

 

[5030]

Re: New "M7" Series

If you say so. I wish you luck selling them but I guess suckers are born everyday, besides, you are a multi-line deealer. One lemon don't spoil the whole basket.....

Like their hay tools. I'd be embarrased to park Kubota hay tools next to NH hay tools. No comparison.

Put the REAL stuff out front and the wannabe stuff out back......

 

[Grateful11]

Wow you haven't even seen it in person or operated the dang thing and it's already a Lemon. Pretty close-minded if you ask me.

So how has your Kubota's been treating you?

 

[Muhammad]

Re: New "M7" Series

Muhammad - I see Kubota announced the new M5 and M6 series to be available in North America later this year. Anything major different other than meeting Tier 4 final? I have a M135GX and wondered if its replacement will have DEF plus the DPF. Not that I should really be thinking about it because I won't trade until mine is depreciated out in 5 more years.

I will pass that question along to Kubota. There was a lot to take in last week and I didn't ask specifically about the M5 and M6 tractors.

 

[5030]

Wow you haven't even seen it in person or operated the dang thing and it's already a Lemon. Pretty close-minded if you ask me.

So how has your Kubota's been treating you?[/QUOTE]

Both are fine but they don't have DEF tanks either. I might be intersted in one of their roatry rakes, thats about it..... In fact I may swing by my dealr and check on availability.

 

[Paystar]

I've read here that the new M7 will never get market share, but there are 11 coming here and people are fighting over them. Everyone that tried them in direct comparison to the JD's said they are going to kill the Deeres.

 

[houstonscott]

Kubota is a Deming managed company and has won the Deming award twice as I recall. The way they are managed they just keep improving and expanding. Their company site states they are going to compete with Deere, and they are and if Deere sits on their name they will be in trouble. Much like GM and Japanese cars, look what happened. HS.

 

[Muhammad]

I've read here that the new M7 will never get market share, but there are 11 coming here and people are fighting over them. Everyone that tried them in direct comparison to the JD's said they are going to kill the Deeres.

Kubota's field demos at their dealer meeting were pretty impressive. Focused on the loader performance. Very smooth operation and impressive specs. Once the machines arrive and people get them in the field, I think they will be impressive. Then if they hold up the way Kubotas are known to hold up, and Kubota offers the kind of support system they are talking about building, they are going to be a very formidable name in the mid-range market.

 

[Grandad4]

It will all boil down to economics. No production farmer can afford to pass up an opportunity to operate more efficiently in the long run. Time will tell whether Kubota is bringing something better to the market. They are definitely stepping right into Deere's home turf with these new models. Just my opinion, but I wouldn't bet against Kubota... they run a pretty smart business most of the time. If they force Deere to step up their game, well that's still a win for the customers. As for the Tier IV issues, if you want to sell new equipment in the U.S., like it or not you have to play by Uncle Sam's rules. Understandable that some don't like the rules, but it would be interesting to hear why Kubota should catch heat for trying to comply.