New Truck time

[Duffster]

I pretty much understand if you have a dually and a GN set up to pull over 14000 (like dual tandems) you hit CDL territory.

One of the downsides to owning a dually if you do anything commercial.


Pretty much can't tow a backhoe without a CDL.

Depends on the size of the backhoe.

GN or not has nothing to do with it.

 

[Duffster]

Around here that wouldn't trigger a CDL unless there were air brakes involved and it's commercial...At least that's the way I understand it...Otherwise all of the 70 year olds with the $250,000 Class A's would have CDL's...They don't.

If you pulling 17k with something that is adequate to pull it it'll need a CDL. He is commercial.

Air brake or not means nothing.

Air brakes have nothing to do with it. Many RV's have air brakes.

Its true that if you are commercial you need a air brake endorsement but for non commercial it has no bearing.

Chris

There is no such thing in the states.

 

[joe t]

Depends on the size of the backhoe.

GN or not has nothing to do with it.

14000 lb backhoe plus 5000lb trailer is about as light as it is going to get. So you need a truck that can handle 1900lbs on the hitch or 3800lbs pin on the gn. That would be a dually. Your rated gcvw would be over 26000. Need a Cdl to pull that legally.


Not that you can't find away around it such as tagging your trailer for less so the combined ratings are below 26000 but you are gonna be over if you get weighed.

 

[mikehaugen]

If you pulling 17k with something that is adequate to pull it it'll need a CDL. He is commercial.

Air brake or not means nothing.



There is no such thing in the states.

I know for a fact (well I guess this was about 6 years ago) that there is. I remember where I used to work they hired new truck driver to drive a straight truck, he had a CDL but no air brake endorsement. They hired him anyway but he couldn't drive anything until he went and took the test to get the endorsement.

 

[texasjohn]

I'd go a Toyota Tundra. From Edmunds commenting on it there are options to fit your needs:

As an American-built truck with true full-size proportions, the second-generation Tundra features three cab sizes, three bed lengths and a choice of three engines. In pretty much every measure, the Toyota Tundra stands equal to competing 1500-series pickups.

Some Regular Cabs and Double Cabs have as their standard engine a 4.0-liter V6 rated at 270 horsepower and 278 pound-feet of torque. Other Tundras receive a 4.6-liter V8 putting out 310 horses and 327 lb-ft of torque. The big engine option is a 5.7-liter V8 cranking out 381 hp and 401 lb-ft. The V6 gets a five-speed automatic transmission, while the V8s are hooked to six-speed automatics. All versions are offered with rear-wheel drive or four-wheel drive.

In addition to its strong V8s, the Toyota Tundra stands out thanks to its passenger-friendly cabins. The extended Double Cab features traditional front-hinged doors, making day-to-day usability easier than Chevy and Ford trucks with the more traditional reverse-opening access doors. The Tundra CrewMax, meanwhile, is truly enormous, featuring class-leading legroom and a rear seat that not only slides but reclines as well.

 

[bironacad]

Here is the restrictions for Ontario:
Licence Types
Looks like any towed vehicle over 10120 lbs requires an A or A (r) license. That also means if the trailer is rated for a combined weight over the
10120 lbs.

Mileage, Highway pulling 12,700 lb. RV fifth wheel

22 litres per 100 km
or 10.7 miles per US gallon

5.9 Cummings Diesel, Smarty Jr chip, 4" exhaust, cold air intake.

 

[Diamondpilot]

If you pulling 17k with something that is adequate to pull it it'll need a CDL. He is commercial.

Air brake or not means nothing.

There is no such thing in the states.

Guess technically you are right. There is no endorsement per say but if you take the test in a rig without air brakes your license will state no air brakes.

For example my neighbor took his test in a F350 pulling a trailee then got upgraded at work to a bucket truck with air brakes so he had to go back and show competent skills on air brakes but on truck only. No trailer was needed for the test.

Chris

 

[Duffster]

14000 lb backhoe plus 5000lb trailer is about as light as it is going to get. So you need a truck that can handle 1900lbs on the hitch or 3800lbs pin on the gn. That would be a dually. Your rated gcvw would be over 26000. Need a Cdl to pull that legally.


Not that you can't find away around it such as tagging your trailer for less so the combined ratings are below 26000 but you are gonna be over if you get weighed.

14k backhoe on a 17.2k GVWR trailer behind a 8.8k GVWR F250= No CDL.

 

[Duffster]

I know for a fact (well I guess this was about 6 years ago) that there is. I remember where I used to work they hired new truck driver to drive a straight truck, he had a CDL but no air brake endorsement. They hired him anyway but he couldn't drive anything until he went and took the test to get the endorsement.

Your "fact" isn't so factual.

If he had a "B" and couldn't drive the truck with air it was because he had a restriction.

There has been no air brake endorsement on a CDL in the USA since at least the early 90's when the CDL was standardized nationally

 

[mikehaugen]

Alright, maybe my post came across a little harsh. Maybe you are right, maybe they are right, I don't know- that's just what they were telling me.