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[shoppintractors]

cdt80, A little late but "Welcome to TBN".

Thank you for posting. Your contributions and observations are appreciated. I hope your able to grow more comfortable here as time goes on and continue to contribute.

Don

 

[DK35vince]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Oh well. Guess I'm back to waiting on Kioti to get back with me. )</font>

According to John's post it sounds like you aready have the answer to what the problem most likely is.
Why not just have the dealer replace those parts and fix it /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[GerardC]

<font color="blue"> According to John's post it sounds like you aready have the answer to what the problem most likely is.
Why not just have the dealer replace those parts and fix it
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If anything, it sure sounds like a GOOD PLACE TO START /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif. Gerard

 

[Bob_Skurka]

Vince wrote: <font color="green"> According to John's post it sounds like you aready have the answer to what the problem most likely is.
Why not just have the dealer replace those parts and fix it </font>

Gerard wrote: <font color="blue"> If anything, it sure sounds like a GOOD PLACE TO START </font>


Well folks, at the risk of starting up some grief, which I am NOT intending to do. I believe that if you go back far enough in this thread you will find that Getut effectively did that. While maybe he did not specifically address the issue in the way that John wrote, he did talk to the dealer about this issue (or at least is sounds like he did) if you read his words below. It was actually the dealership that told Getut about the spring problem. Also, he said that Kioti directed the testing.


Getut wrote: <font color="red"> I brought it to them </font> <font color="black"> (the dealership) </font> <font color="red"> after they told me about the possible spring problem. They called me a week later and told me it was ready, but that they didn't do anything to it. It tested fine on the pressure at the 4 points on the HST unit they were instructed to test (from Kioti). </font>

 

[KiotiJohn]

Bob, I don't see any need for you to be getut's representative in this matter. My post was directed at him, and he knows that I sent this PM to him AFTER he had done this with the dealer. In a subsequent PM, I also said this to him, copy/pasted from the PM:
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( It appears to me that your dealer is the culprit here, not willing to go the extra mile to fix the problem. John )</font>
Simply testing the tractor at a standstill, which I suspect was the case, may not have caused the spring problem to manifest. At the very least, the dealer should replace the plug, and if that doesn't change the situation, then the complete relief valve should be replaced.
I think you should give getut a chance to be the one to answer as he knows the facts of it. I realize that you have continually said the problem is probably isolated, and I believe that is the case, but this situation has gone on and on, with a lot of disparaging remarks made about the model and I believe that if I were the one dealing with it, I would have taken care of it and had it over with without having to constantly keep up a bashing campaign which unjustly damns the other CK20's which don't suffer the same problem. John

 

[GerardC]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Bob, I don't see any need for you to be getut's representative in this matter. My post was directed at him, and he knows that I sent this PM to him AFTER he had done this with the dealer. In a subsequent PM, I also said this to him, copy/pasted from the PM:
</font><font color="blueclass=small">( It appears to me that your dealer is the culprit here, not willing to go the extra mile to fix the problem. John )</font>
Simply testing the tractor at a standstill, which I suspect was the case, may not have caused the spring problem to manifest. At the very least, the dealer should replace the plug, and if that doesn't change the situation, then the complete relief valve should be replaced.
I think you should give getut a chance to be the one to answer as he knows the facts of it. I realize that you have continually said the problem is probably isolated, and I believe that is the case, but this situation has gone on and on, with a lot of disparaging remarks made about the model and I believe that if I were the one dealing with it, I would have taken care of it and had it over with without having to constantly keep up a bashing campaign which unjustly damns the other CK20's which don't suffer the same problem. John )</font>

<font color="black"> I totally agree! Gerard </font>

 

[Bob_Skurka]

John, I'm just trying to provide a little balance because after your post (which I did not reply to) a couple other guys pointed out essentially the same thing. So all of a sudden it seemed like Getut has not tried, and has not addressed this particular issue. Yet, at least on some level, he has talked to the dealer about exactly this issue because the dealer tested it.

I do agree with you that he has a dealer issue, that is one of the reasons I really think having a sound, established, quality dealer is necessary. He has obviously gotten fed up with the dealer, but I really do think he is waiting for a response from a Kioti rep, and apparently he has more patience than I do because he has been waiting for 4 or 5 weeks since they promised to come out there. I'd have been screaming bloody murder by now.

All that said, it seems that Getut's problem, while probably fairly rare, is also something that a couple other folks seem to have. (Doccruz, Kkid [on a demo] & whenley [also on a demo]) Hopefully they won't have to go through the frustration that Getut is going through.

I just wish all dealers were as good as Jon DePratt, who took time to go out and test the tractors in his parking lot.

We should all remember that Getut did NOT start this thread. And that on the first 2 pages of the thread 3 other people talked about this issue on tractors they drove. 2 of them on dealers lots. I simply don't think Getut should get heat for having a problem, if we chase away people who have problems when they voice them the likelyhood is they will sell their tractors as junk and spread the word where they live that the brand is garbage. If we help them out, then it is likely that a solution will be found, the tractor will be fixed, and they will become goodwill ambassadors for the brand.

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I simply don't think Getut should get heat for having a problem, if we chase away people who have problems when they voice them the likelyhood is they will sell their tractors as junk and spread the word where they live that the brand is garbage. If we help them out, then it is likely that a solution will be found, the tractor will be fixed, and they will become goodwill ambassadors for the brand.)</font>
Who said anything about chasing anyone away? I simply stated that I had addressed this with getut. Not one of the responses in this whole thread has been any help to him. Taking his dealer to task and having the necessary parts changed out would have been the help. I doubt seriously that he needs you or anyone else to defend him in this forum, but I understand your need to jump in there. John

 

[Dargo]

I've been on the sideline watching this thread with some interest. I'll readily admit that when I looked at and drove a Kioti earlier this year I was less than impressed with the tractor and the dealer. The dealer was selling it as a cheaper Kubota "knock off". There were no "selling points" given to me as to why I should buy Kioti other than price. When I asked about parts, the dealer said that he should be able to get parts from other dealers or get them ordered when needed. I just didn't get the feeling of quality, so I walked.

TBN was the only reason I even considered and drove the Kioti, because my impression was that they were a cheap Kubota knock off. The only close dealer that carried them went out of business a couple of years ago. Now, in my case, I have a dealer who is rather ambivalent towards them and sells on price alone. It is interesting to see how someone who purchased one is taken care of by their dealer and then, ultimately, by Kioti.

Any manufacturer can and will have some problems. It is the manufacturer and the dealers what make much of the difference if the product itself is of reasonable quality. I'm curious as to how this plays out. If a tractor in the hp range we are talking about has consistent problems mentioned here and the manufacturer doesn't step up, it makes up my mind as to whether to consider this make in the future. Hopefully Kioti is here for the long run and they make good on this issue.

 

[GerardC]

Heeeeeeeeerrrrrrrreeeeee'sssssssssssssss JOHNNY!

Welcome back (I hope). Gerard