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rockyridgefarm

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Talked to a guy at church today. He is former Amish, and seems he lodt a nephew this past week. The fellow had his two year old son on the tractor with him and his 10 year old watching. He caught a curb and flipped right over. He died on the spot. I wondered out lod why the ROPS didn't help.

Seems the Amish aren't allowed them, They cut them off with cutting torches. Sad.
 
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The Amish in my area are all horse powered. They don't have any motorized vehicles or tractors. They use horse & carriage for transportation and horse power in the field. The only electricity they use is for pasteurizing and chilling their milk that they sell. No electric lines to the house, oil & candle light. They are a bunch of hard workers. I wonder what they do at night with no television to watch? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Funny,
When I lived in MD/SE PA area the Amish were allowed gas engines but not for locomotion. They farmed the field behind my house. At harvet time they had some type of gas powered thresher mounted on a horse drawn wagon. Quite a sight.

Phil
 
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Each area seems to be differant. Here, certain members are allowed to have vans to transport the others. They are allowed tractors up to 100 Hp.
Like said, they sure do work hard.
 
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I run into Amish people at some of our farm auctions, and last year one guy struck up a conversation with me. He told me that each group has a bishop, and board of elders. The bishop and elders have to decide each year which modern "conviences" they will have to allow in order for them to survive economically, and this varies from location to location. Most Amish people are either farmers or carpenters. In some areas, for example, the carpenters are allowed to use power tools, as long as they don't own them, so they work as sub-contractors to Englishmen (that's what they call us) who own the tools. If an arrangement like that can't be worked out, they might be allowed to buy neccessary tools. Same thing for farming, if they have to mechanize somewhat to survive they will. They are great at adapting equipment to be part power and part horse drawn. They are very ingenious people, and I have huge respect for them.

Also Meninites are often confused with Amish, because they dress alike ( at least to our eyes.). The Meninites are much more liberal, and will use trucks are tractors more readiliy.
 
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rockyridgefarm,

I'm not sure you have any more info than you already
provided but how in the heck to hitting a curb cause the
tractor to roll? Was it one of those old tractors with two
small tires directly under the front of the tractor?

I just can't figure this one out...

Horrible accident.

Later,
Dan
 
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The Amish built some houses in our neighborhood. If you want to see a well constructed house they do it. No shortcut's and yes the only saw I saw was a gas powered circular saw. When many of the walls were put up you would see major size rods going through them and bolted at the ends for strength. I don't think a tornado would have a chance at the houses they build.

Twenty some years ago I lived in a town that was thick with the Amish People. I worked at an implement dealer selling Oliver/White Farm Equipment. I actually got to know a few of them and you can't find nicer people.

murph
 
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Actually the tractor in question had a folding ROPS, which was always folded. I don't think it was all that old. I have the impression that they were turning at pretty good speed. One wheel rode up on a curb and it went over...

Those little boys watched their dad die. It's just plain sad.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The Amish in my area are all horse powered. They don't have any motorized vehicles or tractors. They use horse & carriage for transportation and horse power in the field. The only electricity they use is for pasteurizing and chilling their milk that they sell. No electric lines to the house, oil & candle light. They are a bunch of hard workers. I wonder what they do at night with no television to watch? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )</font>

I presume have children?

Daryl
Forage Services, L.P.
 
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A local amish family, also run a tarp shop, has a Farmall H for a power unit to run baler or other pto equipment, it is on steel wheels and pulled by HORSES (trans gears are taken out). /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Odd watching a team of horses pull a <font color="red"> Farmall </font> w/ baler and wagon.
 
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Lots of children. They need a lot of hands in the field. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Sometimes the women are at our local Walmart selling homemade baked goods. Everything made from scratch. Very nice people. Don't take them for dummies, they are simple people but pretty sharp. In our area they have a rural Amish school with his and her outhouses. Every fall the local Amish here buy a truck load of Hershey chocolate to make homemade candy to sell to us English for the holiday season. Good stuff. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I know people that have done business with them or done favors for them and they say they are honorable people. If you do them a favor they will be more than happy to repay that favor. They pay for everything in cash. No plastic here. They take turns having Sunday service in each others houses. They mostly still live like our ancestors. I think I'm glad I wasn't born to Amish parents. I have heard they have to work pretty hard to keep their children in the Amish belief. Their children see all the things that modern children have access to and they wonder what it would be like to live like them. Some of them do leave the clan when they can. From what I understand they sometimes import and export people or families to different areas of the country to prevent inbreeding. Can you just imagine being a kid now days without Nintendo or PlayStation? Wow, I don't think my teenager would survive five minutes in the Amish way of life. Lucky for him I couldn't either. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Often times Amish teenagers are allowed freedom to "run Wild" a little before they settle down. I heard about some boys that had gotten into trouble and were sent to jail. Problem was, the jailer had to let them go. The jail was far too comfortable for them. Back home they went, where they had it much harder.

The amish build some wonderful barns around here. We really would love one, but they come at a dear price. There is on at Will Rogers Birthplace that is "to die for" Oh well...
 
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Not taking away anything from the Amish, or anyone else for that matter, but it seems to me that the point here is-

<font color="red"> A folded ROPS can't do its job, and that can get you killed. </font>

All of us have attitudes, behaviors, and beliefs that effect the risks in our lives- some subtly, others greatly. Some amount risk is unavoidable, some risk is acceptable, and sometimes risk is desired. Cost vs. benefit often is a deciding factor in determining what risks are to be mitigated. And in many cases the most obviously dangerous situations are the best protected, while the seemingly mundane ones prove to be the most dangerous, typically through complacency. The truth is that most safety systems are not entirely passive- the user needs to be involved in their own safety.

Also, this tragedy illustrates the huge difference between static and dynamic systems. Something, like a tractor, might be able to sit on a very steep slope and not fall over. But the same thing in motion can be be upset by relatively small factors.

My heart goes out to the family, and especially the children.
 
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There is an Amish window shop near here. All of the tools are air powered. Out back there is one great big gas powered air compressor.

Steve
 
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Yep.. seems like every group is different. Where my stepfather hunts up north, the hunters buy bread pies and quilts from the locals, and even have a guide show them where the best hunting is.

They were allowed to have tractors on steel.. no rubber.

Soundguy
 

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