Non CDL F250 towing 12K trailer across state lines ?

[Hersheyfarm]

Correct, the problem is some states don’t have a non-CDL class. They offer a class “c” OR a commercial license. Now how do you legally tow a +10000 trailer or drive a +26000 combined?

move to a free state?

 

[Hay Dude]

The one that kind of irks me is when you see someone driving a 25,999 truck towing a 10K trailer. Thats a lot of iron rolling without a CDL.
Or the 80 yr olds driving enormous diesel pusher motorhomes.

The CDL rules & regs are in desperate need of changes because our work vehicles have changed, mostly for the better in terms of safety. The average guy can handle todays F-350 with a 12-14K trailer without expensive, lengthy training.

I am so happy to have my CDL. Got it 30+ years ago and it’s a blessing.

 

[D&D]

move to a free state?

Uh huh

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[Hersheyfarm]

And id like to raise the point again, in april 1992 when the cdl was requires and gvwr’s were assigned, the average pickup could only tow 10-12k and a 12k trailer weighed more than 3k.

today safety and engineering advancements have made towing many times safer. The assigned weight limitations need to be readjusted. In 1992 to pull 26k you were basically in a straight truck or dump truck and trailer that probably weighed 16k leaving only 10k capacity. With trucks and trailers now you can safely tow 36k with a 1 ton. To pull 36k back then you would have to have been in a tandem dump or tractor. Things change And advance.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

Uh huh

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Let’s just regulate and legislate our lives into an oblivion. How confined do people need to be before they pop. I popped a long time ago. People need to realize that the sociopaths in suits that vote on this arbitrary stuff to confine us in the name of public safety are not worthy. Is there any legislature that you’d trust with your kid? No, they’re just a fake smile hiding an ignorant sociopath.

 

[D&D]

The one that kind of irks me is when you see someone driving a 25,999 truck towing a 10K trailer. Thats a lot of iron rolling without a CDL.
Or the 80 yr olds driving enormous diesel pusher motorhomes.

The CDL rules & regs are in desperate need of changes because our work vehicles have changed, mostly for the better in terms of safety. The average guy can handle todays F-350 with a 12-14K trailer without expensive, lengthy training.

I am so happy to have my CDL. Got it 30+ years ago and it’s a blessing.

That’s the problem I’m talking about. For those that aren’t doing commercial work, yet have a desire to move stuff that requires “big boy toys”. The bureaucrats creating the rules, driving their Yugo, escort, w/e decide, “no one needs to drive a class 8 truck unless they jump these hurdles”. They then make exceptions to the rule, then amend the rule, then clarify the rule. Now, the rule is so complex, no one can understand it.

Having a cdl is not a cure all, it creates complications under the exceptions. Do you have ELD’s in your trucks? Do you have a current medical card? Bill of lading? Fuel stamps?

 

[Hay Dude]

That’s the problem I’m talking about. For those that aren’t doing commercial work, yet have a desire to move stuff that requires “big boy toys”. The bureaucrats creating the rules, driving their Yugo, escort, w/e decide, “no one needs to drive a class 8 truck unless they jump these hurdles”. They then make exceptions to the rule, then amend the rule, then clarify the rule. Now, the rule is so complex, no one can understand it.

Having a cdl is not a cure all, it creates complications under the exceptions. Do you have ELD’s in your trucks? Do you have a current medical card? Bill of lading? Fuel stamps?

Yes, I carry required documents. I was just DOT’d last week but not cited for anything.

 

[D&D]

Yes, I carry required documents. I was just DOT’d last week but not cited for anything.

ELD too?

 

[Hay Dude]

ELD too?

I was told I fall under the short haul exception

 

[D&D]

I was told I fall under the short haul exception

Right, one of the “gray“ areas. What happens if you decide to buy a dump body in Michigan and haul it home yourself. Trooper A - not needed, Trooper B - gotta have it, here’s your ticket.