NOTHING warms my heart more than Trespassing Slob Hunters.......

[TripleR]

Yep. People who follow the rules have plenty of opportunities to do things the right way. I remember a friend of mine getting an exemption to use a crossbow years ago because of a shoulder injury.

In the end this isn't really about hunters as much as it is about people who do not follow rules and seem to think they are above the laws everyone else follows. People have little respect for animals or for private property. You can't ride yoru 4 wheeler off road in wilderness or in places like national parks, state parks, etc... for a reason. Not having unlimited motorized travel off road is what makes these places special and unique to visit.

I don't have enough interest to go back and look, but some seem to feel if someone breaks the law by riding into a restricted area, it would be just fine and kind of funny to disable the vehicle. One should not try to justify one illegal act as justification for another; seen quite a few people in criminal court who tried that.

If someone sees someone commit a criminal act, if so inclined, document, walk off and report it.

People who feel it is OK to damage someone's property or possibly put them in danger is one of the reasons I no longer hunt on public land or allow others to hunt or fish on mine. There are just too many chest pounders, Internet and otherwise.

 

[BoylermanCT]

No where in the US does criminal trespassing bring the death penalty. Not at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., not in MO, no where. Shirley there would be repercussions for the person that disabled the vehicle if it were proven a death was the result.

I dare you to walk into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with a hunting rifle and you see if you get the death penalty or not.

Personally, if I found an abandoned ATV on my property, I'd be thrilled because it means I just became the owner of a new ATV!

 

[roadhunter]

LOL. Trolls gonna troll

Someone got thier feeling hurt and is doing thier bast to start a fight. Let's get down to the facts here.

The funny thing is I was not the one who brought up the story about shooting a 4 wheeler. That was BCP post #23.

Then 2nd half (post #25) mentions shooting an antlerless older guy and that somehow being old or being a vet should allow them to ride their 4 wheeler in wilderness. Troll attempt #1

Then Square starts trolling the story into the death penalty and the rider of the 4 wheeling dying (post #41) going after nickmags.

Clearly we have 2 trolls in the thread who are just trying to start slap fights with ridiculous talk about trespassers rights and people dying. That is a fact that both 2nd half and square have brought up people dying, post #25 and #41. Glad we got that straight. Amazing how people who just want to be upset about something try so hard. "What if it was a disabled vet who was 125 years old, would that be ok for them to ride 4 wheelers in wilderness areas even though it is illegal?"


That's the best part about roadless areas. Once you get about 200 yards from the road you get away from all the idiots because they can't walk much further than that Some struggle with the concept that nobody is allowed to use vehicles in wilderness. Not even firefighters, cops, vets, old, handicapped, disabled, president, etc... Nobody. It's' really quite simple.

As far as trespassers rights. I don't see much validity to arguing the rights of people knowingly involved in illegal behavior. Most folks do not spend much time on public land so they do not understand the reality of how it is abused. People in general do not have much respect for private land, and even less for public land it seems. Sad.

I'm just going to take the high road and not get into the personal insults with trolls. A incomprehensible weak man having fun with a corn cob??? LAffin. Troll troll troll your boat. Insecure people love to insult other to make themselves feel better i'm told.

 

[square1]

I'm just going to take the high road

Too late.
Please add me to your ignore list tough guy.
I'm done, I can explain things for you, but I can't understand things for you when your reading comprehension fails.

 

[2ndhalf]

I don't have enough interest to go back and look, but some seem to feel if someone breaks the law by riding into a restricted area, it would be just fine and kind of funny to disable the vehicle. One should not try to justify one illegal act as justification for another; seen quite a few people in criminal court who tried that.

If someone sees someone commit a criminal act, if so inclined, document, walk off and report it.

People who feel it is OK to damage someone's property or possibly put them in danger is one of the reasons I no longer hunt on public land or allow others to hunt or fish on mine. There are just too many chest pounders, Internet and otherwise.

Well said...

To the others..
I'm not going to waste any more time reading the posts of the guys who actually did turn my comment into a war. Ironically calling us trolls for just bringing up another perspective on shooting a quad in the wild.

Think about it a second and read what was actually said.. I was just kind of joking when I said bagged an antlerless old guy! But it would be serious to shoot the quad of a disabled person or a partially diabled person. That's all I was trying to say.

Lighten up guys... life is too short!

As to the amount of "Wilderness in ohio" not a lot; we have farm ground and woods. You want to talk about people getting mad.. ride your quad through a soybean field in Ohio.. also illegal and destruction of private property. But we still don't shoot the quad.. well IDK my FIL may LOL

 

[LD1]

I have read the entire thread......again. And didnt see any trolling done by the alleged trollers???:confused3:

Here is what I gathered in summary over the back and forth.......anyone feel free to point out anything I may have missed:

A few posters on here seemed to imply that it would be okay to "get-back" at someone committing an illegal act, by committing one of their own.

A few posters mentioned that there might possibly be more to the story, than just some idiot drunk riding a atv where he should not. And while being old/disabled/vet.....whatever excuse.........doesnt make the trespasser right. It in no way gives us the right.....in our haste.....to play judge, jury, and executioner.

Believe it or not, I too have been called a troll by this same member in several other threads. It seems if you dont share the same opinion as him.....and express your own views.....you are now a troll to him.

I try to see things from both sides, because there is always two sides to the story. IF I were on a hunt, and saw someones ATV illegally trespassing.....Yep, that would really chap my rear end. And in the heat of the moment, the thought of slashing tires might cross my mind. But I would like to think that my brain would tell me to take a moment and think things through and not do anything I would regret in haste.

I enjoy TBN because not only is it a great resource for tractors.....but everything else you can possibly think of. We have many different members here, from all over the world. Who share different views personally and politically. I respect others opinions and views, even if I disagree. And would ask the same in kind. Sure some discussions can get heated, but how boring would it be if we all agreed on everything? Jumping to calling someone a troll just because you dont share the same view.....plain stupid, and a sure way to escalate a good discussion into a waste-of-time back and forth.

An internet troll, as I see them, is someone who makes a comment or two just to stir the pot and sit back and watch. Not someone genuinely trying to share their opinion, and giving valid reasons for why they feel that way.

 

[2ndhalf]

What's the obvious answer?

Keep in mind, I don't really know it either, but a friend brought it up a couple weeks ago and I think his theory is exactly right.

Well what's your friend's theory..? keep us guessing. I don't really know the answer either I was just fooling around!

 

[2ndhalf]

I have read the entire thread......again. And didnt see any trolling done by the alleged trollers???:confused3:

Here is what I gathered in summary over the back and forth.......anyone feel free to point out anything I may have missed:

A few posters on here seemed to imply that it would be okay to "get-back" at someone committing an illegal act, by committing one of their own.

A few posters mentioned that there might possibly be more to the story, than just some idiot drunk riding a atv where he should not. And while being old/disabled/vet.....whatever excuse.........doesnt make the trespasser right. It in no way gives us the right.....in our haste.....to play judge, jury, and executioner.

Believe it or not, I too have been called a troll by this same member in several other threads. It seems if you dont share the same opinion as him.....and express your own views.....you are now a troll to him.

I try to see things from both sides, because there is always two sides to the story. IF I were on a hunt, and saw someones ATV illegally trespassing.....Yep, that would really chap my rear end. And in the heat of the moment, the thought of slashing tires might cross my mind. But I would like to think that my brain would tell me to take a moment and think things through and not do anything I would regret in haste.

I enjoy TBN because not only is it a great resource for tractors.....but everything else you can possibly think of. We have many different members here, from all over the world. Who share different views personally and politically. I respect others opinions and views, even if I disagree. And would ask the same in kind. Sure some discussions can get heated, but how boring would it be if we all agreed on everything? Jumping to calling someone a troll just because you dont share the same view.....plain stupid, and a sure way to escalate a good discussion into a waste-of-time back and forth.

An internet troll, as I see them, is someone who makes a comment or two just to stir the pot and sit back and watch. Not someone genuinely trying to share their opinion, and giving valid reasons for why they feel that way.

Good summation LD1.. I can tell you I wasn't trying to stir anything up! Sorry if I did, this is a good thread with good people on it.

 

[roadhunter]

Too late.
Please add me to your ignore list tough guy.
I'm done, I can explain things for you, but I can't understand things for you when your reading comprehension fails.

Sir,

I simply commented that I thought it was funny when the story about a backpack hunter shooting a 4 wheeler was told. I have no idea why you have decided to personally attack me with all sorts of insults about my intelligence. reading comprehension, corn cobs, etc... If that makes you feel better about yourself so be it but it is unnecessary and considered trolling behavior. I do not put people on ignore. I am comfortable letting other share thier opinions without resorting to personal insults. It's obvious that somethign I have said has greatly upset you and now you are so mad you are calling me names and insulting my intellignece. Hopefully you will get over it at some point so you can contribute to a discussion as opposed to simply throwing insults and trolling.

There is nothing that needs explaining here for you or me. You seem to think you are here to share your vast knowledge and intelligence to the rest of us who dont' understand but that is not the case, we get it. The only valid point you have made is that shooting a 4 wheeler may have consequences, but we all knew that already.

The OP and many others have observed hunters being disrespectful to both private and public land. It's interesting hearing about how hunters act in other parts of the country. I would like ot think that the OP's plan has worked but my guess is the reason hunters are not returning is because of a bad hunt. Had they bagged big deer I bet they would be back. Hunters are a mischievous bunch and I suspect a good portion of no trespassing signs are used for warning hunters who trespass. But there are also signs that explain where you can and can't drive 4 wheelers and they still go where they please. I can only imagine how frustrating that is for private landowners.

If you want to contribute in a positive way feel free but trolling will not be tolerated and I will be reporting yoru posts if you make any further personal insults. That kind of behavior is not tolerated here.

 

[roadhunter]

I have read the entire thread......again. And didnt see any trolling done by the alleged trollers???:confused3:

Here is what I gathered in summary over the back and forth.......anyone feel free to point out anything I may have missed:

A few posters on here seemed to imply that it would be okay to "get-back" at someone committing an illegal act, by committing one of their own.

A few posters mentioned that there might possibly be more to the story, than just some idiot drunk riding a atv where he should not. And while being old/disabled/vet.....whatever excuse.........doesnt make the trespasser right. It in no way gives us the right.....in our haste.....to play judge, jury, and executioner.

Believe it or not, I too have been called a troll by this same member in several other threads. It seems if you dont share the same opinion as him.....and express your own views.....you are now a troll to him.

I try to see things from both sides, because there is always two sides to the story. IF I were on a hunt, and saw someones ATV illegally trespassing.....Yep, that would really chap my rear end. And in the heat of the moment, the thought of slashing tires might cross my mind. But I would like to think that my brain would tell me to take a moment and think things through and not do anything I would regret in haste.

I enjoy TBN because not only is it a great resource for tractors.....but everything else you can possibly think of. We have many different members here, from all over the world. Who share different views personally and politically. I respect others opinions and views, even if I disagree. And would ask the same in kind. Sure some discussions can get heated, but how boring would it be if we all agreed on everything? Jumping to calling someone a troll just because you dont share the same view.....plain stupid, and a sure way to escalate a good discussion into a waste-of-time back and forth.

An internet troll, as I see them, is someone who makes a comment or two just to stir the pot and sit back and watch. Not someone genuinely trying to share their opinion, and giving valid reasons for why they feel that way.

LD you are also another poster who resorts to personal insults. That is what trolls do. They derail threads and make them personal slap fights. That is why your posts are edited by the mods so often.