NX4510 and NX5010 pricing and review

[94BULLITT]

Hmmmm... Lol so you're saying that no one in the world could possible need more power in a CUT than your L4240 has !?

Have you read any of my posts in this thread, specifically pertaining to my uses?

I originally said I don't see much need for a 60hp cut. I'm saying for most uses it does not make sense to have a 60HP CUT. I know there are some tasks where more power could be needed in a CUT.

I have not read your thread. I have heard you say you wish you had more power for your stump grinder. Out of all the attachments listed in your signature the only one I see you need more power is for your 8' rotary cutter. I've never ran a stump grinder on a tractor so IDK about that.

 

[TSO]

I originally said I don't see much need for a 60hp cut. I'm saying for most uses it does not make sense to have a 60HP CUT. I know there are some tasks where more power could be needed in a CUT.

I have not read your thread. I have heard you say you wish you had more power for your stump grinder. Out of all the attachments listed in your signature the only one I see you need more power is for your 8' rotary cutter. I've never ran a stump grinder on a tractor so IDK about that.

Ah ok ... Well take my word for it then, I grind a lot of stumps!

 

[94BULLITT]

Island, the NX6010 is Cat2, allowing people to use heavier implements. Using your logic, nobody should buy 60 skip loaders, or 60hp skid loaders. That extra 15hp is completely worthless.

A 45hp machine couldn't use my rotary cutter and I think it would be hard-pressed trying to use my 84" industrial box scraper. With ballast, my 4600 pound NX6010 weights 5900 pounds. Add another 1100 pounds for a loader, another 400-500 pounds for a bucket or grapple, and the machine is 7400-7500 pounds before attaching anything at the rear. Add another 1200+ pounds for an industrial box scraper and you want to drag 8800 pounds around with 45 hp, huh?

Life is too short waiting for you to get done doing that.

And while we're at it, you go get an F250, my F150 is fine.

A 45hp tractor would handle your rotary cutter fine.

HP does not have that much to do with handling a ground engaging implement like your box blade. You need weight and traction. It is not like you need to be able to drag the box blade 12MPH with a full load. Most box blading is going to be done at a low speed.

 

[94BULLITT]

Ah ok ... Well take my word for it then, I grind a lot of stumps!

I know on something like a stump grinder more power is going to let you grind the stumps faster. I can also see since you are doing it with a tractor that a 60hp CUT would be nice for you to get around peoples yards. I know there are some exceptions but most of the time it makes more sense, at least to me, to step up to a utility tractor if extra power is needed.

 

[kapper]

Of course. But the bigger point is that stuffing 60hp into a CUT frame starts to do weird things to efficiency. At some point people should just increase frame size. I think the F150/F250 analogy is appropriate here. You don't gain much utility by stuffing more and more HP into an F150. There comes a time to bite the bullet and upgrade to a F250 or alternatively just live with the occasional limitation of the F150. I understand the HST argument but I don't think those of you who are continuing to argue for 60hp in a CUT are seeing the forest for the trees. Five years ago there were no 60hp CUTs. People just bought utility tractors once they needed that much power. There are huge advantages to a 60hp utility tractor over a 60hp CUT. Basically the utility tractor would out perform in all areas except 1) availability of HST and 2) trailering. If you really must have HST and small frame size then by all means shoot the CUT up with steroids. But the majority of tractor buyers would be better served by a either 45hp CUT or a 60hp utility tractor.

Ummm, yes, stuffing a 60 hp engine in a CUT does have some excellent uses.. You get much more usage while still being in the same frame/footprint. In other words you Can do more while maintaining the agility of a CUT. Five years ago, the CUT's could not accomplish what today's tractors can.. This is the result of increased technology, and in many cases increased available power. IF you look at all of the new 3 pt/pto implements, and skid steer attachments coming out today, there is no way that an underpowered CUT would perform at an acceptable level with some of these new options. Don't get me wrong here, if someone just wants to do the basic farm chores; mow some grass, till a few small areas and maybe grade a driveway then absolutely, the 40 hp will perform admirably. But, please, until you've actually encountered situations (as I personally have) when the 40 just would not cut it, but a 60 would, then you are simply making conjecture on your assertions that one cannot do more with a 60 than with the 45. How about we each just stick to sharing our actual experiences so that those who are looking for some real background on making their decisions can take each for what they are worth? There really is no right or wrong here, as it is obvious that if they didn't sell any of the 50, 55 or 60 hp CUT's, they sure wouldn't keep making them... Thanks.

 

[IslandTractor]

Island, the NX6010 is Cat2, allowing people to use heavier implements. Using your logic, nobody should buy 60 skip loaders, or 60hp skid loaders. That extra 15hp is completely worthless.

A 45hp machine couldn't use my rotary cutter and I think it would be hard-pressed trying to use my 84" industrial box scraper. With ballast, my 4600 pound NX6010 weights 5900 pounds. Add another 1100 pounds for a loader, another 400-500 pounds for a bucket or grapple, and the machine is 7400-7500 pounds before attaching anything at the rear. Add another 1200+ pounds for an industrial box scraper and you want to drag 8800 pounds around with 45 hp, huh?

Life is too short waiting for you to get done doing that.

And while we're at it, you go get an F250, my F150 is fine.

What makes you think a NX4510 couldn't run a Woods BB720??? They absolutely can handle that mower. I happen to have a BB600 on my DK40se only because it was a great deal on CL and I already have a 75" flail mower. I don't even bother to use full PTO speed and I use the BB600 only for heavy bush hogging when I don't want to use the flail in rocky areas. I use a six foot box scraper and have no issue. I could use bigger if I need but I don't. As for how much weight I can carry around, let me remind you that the 3PT lift for the DK40se is just about the same as for theNX4510 which is identical to the NX6010. I carry around large logs in the grapple using my Woods BH90x as ballast all the time. Same size axles as you have. Essentially same hydraulics. Identical loader.

I'm wondering now if those of you who drank the Kioti HP kool aid did your homework before purchase. I know that sounds a bit snarky but really, how did you determine that you needed 60hp? Did your dealer just upsell or was there a calculation involved?

 

[IslandTractor]

Ummm, yes, stuffing a 60 hp engine in a CUT does have some excellent uses.. You get much more usage while still being in the same frame/footprint. In other words you Can do more while maintaining the agility of a CUT. Five years ago, the CUT's could not accomplish what today's tractors can.. This is the result of increased technology, and in many cases increased available power. IF you look at all of the new 3 pt/pto implements, and skid steer attachments coming out today, there is no way that an underpowered CUT would perform at an acceptable level with some of these new options. Don't get me wrong here, if someone just wants to do the basic farm chores; mow some grass, till a few small areas and maybe grade a driveway then absolutely, the 40 hp will perform admirably. But, please, until you've actually encountered situations (as I personally have) when the 40 just would not cut it, but a 60 would, then you are simply making conjecture on your assertions that one cannot do more with a 60 than with the 45. How about we each just stick to sharing our actual experiences so that those who are looking for some real background on making their decisions can take each for what they are worth? There really is no right or wrong here, as it is obvious that if they didn't sell any of the 50, 55 or 60 hp CUT's, they sure wouldn't keep making them... Thanks.

On what basis do you say there are "new options" that require 60hp? The vast vast majority of CUT implements are six foot and can be run by any cut of 40hp or more. I cannot think of a single implement other than a batwing mower or 8ft bush hog mower that requires more than 40hp to run efficiently. TSO may have a large stump grinder for commercial use and that may justify more HP but there are other stump grinders that max out at 35hp so it isn't like there is some magic barrier you have to cross with higher HP. It would be silly of implement manufacturers to make 3PT implements aimed at the CUT market that require more than 45hp to run. The vast majority of the market is below 50hp.

Maybe the 3000 series JD is smaller frame than the Kioti DK/NX and is less capable. I've never operated a JD3000 series machine but if they are built like the Kubotas then they are generally lighter with less capable loaders and smaller axles than the Kiotis. If the JDs are optimized for finish mowing then it is hard to compare equal horsepower machines. I'd say comparing tractor weight which is more closely linked to frame size might be more accurate. I know the DK class compares favorably to the <50 HP MX Kubotas specs.

 

[TSO]

What makes you think a NX4510 couldn't run a Woods BB720??? They absolutely can handle that mower. I happen to have a BB600 on my DK40se only because it was a great deal on CL and I already have a 75" flail mower. I don't even bother to use full PTO speed and I use the BB600 only for heavy bush hogging when I don't want to use the flail in rocky areas. I use a six foot box scraper and have no issue. I could use bigger if I need but I don't. As for how much weight I can carry around, let me remind you that the 3PT lift for the DK40se is just about the same as for theNX4510 which is identical to the NX6010. I carry around large logs in the grapple using my Woods BH90x as ballast all the time. Same size axles as you have. Essentially same hydraulics. Identical loader.

I'm wondering now if those of you who drank the Kioti HP kool aid did your homework before purchase. I know that sounds a bit snarky but really, how did you determine that you needed 60hp? Did your dealer just upsell or was there a calculation involved?

I'm only quoting this to say, I think they increased the 3pt lift on the NX series over the DK series by a respectable amount... It's close to the other top rigs now. Just FYI

 

[peterc38]

This thread needs one of those popcorn munching emoticon thingies.

 

[TSO]

. I know the DK class compares favorably to the <50 HP MX Kubotas specs.

So does the Massey, but better ...

Don't forget too, some people also hay with their CUT'S, and that is another reason for higher HP.