NX4510 and NX5010 pricing and review

[racer726]

I have anti gelling treatment in my Kioti and it still will not run if the temps are under 20 degrees. I got the heater from my dealer and was charged full price. Installed it myself outside, I think it was in the teens. Froze my but off installing it. Works fine. Ran the tractor for 30 minutes then parked it. Hydraulic leak with oil running everywhere. One of the steel tubes that connects to the pump cracked. Oil seeps out. I can run it for a few minutes but that's it. Now I'm looking at $400 to get it taken to my closest dealer 2 hours away. I would change it myself, but the engine oil check tube runs directly over top of the one bolt. You can only get to it with a small wrench and I don't want to strip it. Just majorly disappointed with this tractor.

Ask your neighbor what he does to avoid fuel gelling? Your father's White tractor likely had a winter blend of fuel in the tank or featured an automatic inline fuel heater as standard (or an option your dad never told you about) that works just like Kioti's in that it kicks on below freezing all by itself.

But your tractor with only nine hours on it, has diesel #2 and that stuff just clouds up with wax below freezing. It is something you just need to know about.

Given that, you can either sit around and complain about it some more to increasingly deaf ears, or you celebrate that your problem is now solved, that you've learned something new, and get on with your life as a happy camper.

Guess which version of racer726 the rest of us want to interact with? Smile.

 

[GManBart]

No, you can spend your money anyway you choose. Buy the King Ranch and wear a big ole cowboy hat if it makes you feel good. What I am responding to is the fan boy attitude expressed by some here that "more HP is always better". If that was the impression of experienced users I would give it credence but the mo horsepower lobby here is largely coming from a relatively inexperienced user and may well mislead other new inexperienced tractor buyers. If you have a really good reason to need 60hp in a CUT frame then go for it. The vast majority of potential NX owners don't need that much power and are paying a silly premium for something they will rarely use and can easily do without. Remember the NX is simply the replacement for the DKse. Virtually none of the DK owners have ever complained about not having enough power and most of them have either 41 or 44 hp models. The loader, hydraulics, 3PT are all the same on all NX models. The only practical difference is PTO power.

We have someone here who has been posting about his NX6010 adventures for almost a year who enthusiastically endorses it but has a track record of breaking just about every implement he uses as well as damaging the tractor regularly. The damage he has done to his implements are almost certainly a direct result of using the extra PTO power of the NX6010. How else can you break a brand new medium duty bush hog within a week or so. How else can you break a heavy duty box blade? We also find out that he has probably never owned a tractor before and made his choices based on watching Youtube videos. Great. Is that really someone you want to take advice from????

How many people who bought NX4510s or DKse tractors are unhappy with their power? Virtually none if you use the discussions on TBN as a guide. So, take advice from a crash test newbie who self educated with Youtube or listen to the experience of people who have hundreds of hours of problem free experience with 40 and 45 hp Kioti tractors here on TBN. It's a free country.

I agree there are a few potential uses of 60hp in an NX frame. Those uses would essentially be limited to driving implements with PTO that can use that power. I haven't seen convincing evidence from anyone yet however and most of the "data" some folks have relied upon are literally based on watching Youtube videos. I believe one demonstration of the "need" for 60hp was based on watching a tractor using a rear snow blower and having a bit of difficulty at the beginning of the video. It becomes clear if you watch even that video, that the initial difficulty was related to "blowing" the piled up crusty frozen plowed ice on edge of the road and that once the blower reached clean snow it was blowing it 40feet without any issue. We hear that 45hp may not be enough for a stump grinder but then find out that dedicated stump grinding machines costing more than these tractors do utilize even smaller engines than the 45hp of the NX base model. Somebody mentioned needing extra HP to run a log splitter. That would be surprising to me given that most commercial stand alone log splitters use smaller engines than 45hp. I would certainly agree that anyone trying to run an 8ft bush hog or batwing mower could easily justify extra HP. Most people doing that sort of cutting regularly would probably opt for a utility size tractor but it would certainly make sense to get more HP if you were going to use a CUT. Same is true for running haying equipment, you might well justify more HP if you hay but you might also consider just a larger frame tractor which is the more common solution. Maybe you live in a hilly area and routinely tow a heavy trailer up hills, that might well be a reason to get more HP too. On the other hand, only a newbie would think that a 2mph increase in top end road speed is an important consideration in tractor selection.

I have stated earlier that Kioti is a marketing company. Obviously there is some hyperbole there as Daedong has developed tractors from scratch and has engineered fine engines and machines. Kioti USA however really is just a marketing company. They have almost no engineers on staff and focus only on marketing the tractors to the US audience. They have taken a lead from other companies in learning how to offer a very capable base tractor at a fair price and then enticing buyers to "upgrade" to expensive sibling models that offer very little extra. The Ford F150 XL hauls wood and trailers just as well as the King Ranch version. If you want to pay extra for rarely used power go ahead, just don't be fooled into thinking you might need that power based on the opinion of an over enthusiastic newbie.

How many are aware of the fact that the engines on these new NX tractors are essentially all the same but with different tuning? I don't believe anyone here really knows what the difference is between the engine variants. It is very hard to get any specific information about engine specs or performance from Kioti/Daedong. Frankly, it is rather shockingly difficult given that diesel engine manufacturers generally provide quite detailed information up front about ratings and differences between versions of the engine. Nobody here including myself has any detailed information about the engine variants. We don't even know whether these new engines are rated for continuous, medium or intermittent operation. Astonishing that Daedong doesn't make that information known. You can get that info on just about any other diesel engine made. It makes a difference. I for one would much prefer a medium duty rated engine to an intermittent duty engine in something like a tractor that hopefully will work for twenty years or more. I can easily understand other thoughts on that matter but cannot understand why Daedong hides the information from potential tractor buyers. I can understand why a marketing company might choose to ignore such details so they can avoid embarrassing questions about flash EPROMs.

I think a logical purchaser of a new NX should not be overly influenced by any single rah rah more horsepower opinion so I provide the counter argument. I actually like Kioti tractors a lot and consider them, along with Mahindra, to be the very best values on the market. The "top" horsepower models of Kioti tractors are generally less good value than their highly capable base models. Shop around for opinions and experience and consider who is giving the advice before making your selection.

This coming from someone who has posted more factually incorrect stuff in this thread as I've ever seen on TBN. I didn't count, but it appears only one or two "experienced" users are backing you up in this thread (which you have totally derailed).

 

[IslandTractor]

This coming from someone who has posted more factually incorrect stuff in this thread as I've ever seen on TBN. I didn't count, but it appears only one or two "experienced" users are backing you up in this thread (which you have totally derailed).

The "facts" that have been under discussion are the "facts" missing from the Kioti website on engine design etc. How many hours/years on Kioti tractors do you have under your belt?

 

[murphy1244]

I think you both derailed this thread but most HP threads do get this way. Lets try and get back on track. Can any one answer racer726? I don't have a NX so someone who does chime in.

 

[IslandTractor]

I never said it was just an EPROM flash. It may well have different injectors, or a variation on the turbo, or the injector pump...I'm sure a parts manual for the model would help sort that out.

I don't see why this upsets you so much about this particular tractor....others have been done the same way, and nobody complains. If you don't need the power, you don't pay for it. If you need it, you pay for it...it's simple. When I bought my LS I knew the R4041 had the same engine with different tuning/injectors, etc, and I still bought the R4047 for the extra 6hp because I knew I wanted to run larger implements, and I'm glad that's what I bought...it had plenty of power, but wasn't overly powerful for an open station 47hp CUT. It it was a cabbed model, with AC, I would have wanted another 10hp to handle the extra weight, and compressor draw....others would be fine going slower, and wasting time with an under powered dog.

For someone who says you like your Kioti, it's hard to see how after reading your comments....it's like you hate the company.

How can Kioti use a single engine model number if there are significant variations in turbo, injector pumps, injectors etc? How does a dealer order a replacement motor for an NX6010 or a NX4510???

Have you checked on HP used for A/C on a tractor?? I rather doubt the extra 330 pounds of weight or the one or two HP necessary to run a compressor require a 10hp upgrade.

And, I like Kioti tractors just fine. No trouble at all giving the NX4510 a bit two thumbs up based on my DK experience. I am certainly not a big fan of Kioti corporate however but then again I lived through the KL120/130 loader cracking era and saw how they functioned back then too. I've also seen my dealer have the rug pulled out from underneath him (2 dealers actually). We've also been through this minor upgrade major price increase game that the marketing boys at Kioti play before too. So, I am no fan of Kioti corporation but I like their (base) tractors just fine.

 

[TJP89]

Alright people, try and give it a break. You are all to blame, and I think no one is 100% right. Why don't you try and help racer instead of this pointless arguing.

 

[countrybumpkin]

I have anti gelling treatment in my Kioti and it still will not run if the temps are under 20 degrees. I got the heater from my dealer and was charged full price. Installed it myself outside, I think it was in the teens. Froze my but off installing it. Works fine. Ran the tractor for 30 minutes then parked it. Hydraulic leak with oil running everywhere. One of the steel tubes that connects to the pump cracked. Oil seeps out. I can run it for a few minutes but that's it. Now I'm looking at $400 to get it taken to my closest dealer 2 hours away. I would change it myself, but the engine oil check tube runs directly over top of the one bolt. You can only get to it with a small wrench and I don't want to strip it. Just majorly disappointed with this tractor.

So what is your problem now, sorry but it's not real clear in the above post? You are still having gelling issues, or that has been taken care of? I've been curios just how well the heater system works and at what temps they seem to be needed.

 

[DK35vince]

Hydraulic leak with oil running everywhere. One of the steel tubes that connects to the pump cracked. Oil seeps out. I can run it for a few minutes but that's it. Now I'm looking at $400 to get it taken to my closest dealer 2 hours away. I would change it myself, but the engine oil check tube runs directly over top of the one bolt. You can only get to it with a small wrench and I don't want to strip it.

Won't the engine oil dipstick tube just unbolt and pull out to get it out of the way?
I think most do.

 

[GManBart]

I think you both derailed this thread but most HP threads do get this way. Lets try and get back on track. Can any one answer racer726? I don't have a NX so someone who does chime in.

Getting back on track would be discussing NX pricing and reviews...no need to divert it into yet another topic.

 

[GManBart]

I have anti gelling treatment in my Kioti and it still will not run if the temps are under 20 degrees. I got the heater from my dealer and was charged full price. Installed it myself outside, I think it was in the teens. Froze my but off installing it. Works fine. Ran the tractor for 30 minutes then parked it. Hydraulic leak with oil running everywhere. One of the steel tubes that connects to the pump cracked. Oil seeps out. I can run it for a few minutes but that's it. Now I'm looking at $400 to get it taken to my closest dealer 2 hours away. I would change it myself, but the engine oil check tube runs directly over top of the one bolt. You can only get to it with a small wrench and I don't want to strip it. Just majorly disappointed with this tractor.

Since this thread is already way off track, you're probably be better off starting a new thread.