NX4510 and NX5010 pricing and review

[racer726]

It's pretty funny. Once I got to my parents house, my dad was driving around his White diesel tractor. No fuel heater, no convertor, no additives. Always starts and runs fine in the winter. The neighbor had his Kubota diesel out as well. SMH

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Bob is a real good guy ... I'm sure he'll do his best to take care of you. However, I would kindly tell him that you shouldn't have to pay for the fuel line heater, and that you would expect Kioti to step up and cover it, especially since you bought it in a cold climate. Ask him to get the rep involved if necessary.

If I was running the dealer, I'd apologize for their problems and their lack of setting things up for cold-running, give the customer a polite education about diesel #1 and diesel #2, cutting diesel #2 with diesel #1, offer a temperature chart for blending ratios, explain really cold running kits like inline fuel line heaters and fuel tank heaters, and then I'd make the customer pay for Kioti's inline fuel heater (because it is an option in the first place). As an olive branch I'd offer a free fuel filter (now the dealer is making no profit in this entire affair) and I'd offer free or near free labor install (which is what I would have done, had the heater been ordered at the time of sale of the tractor). If you ask me to eat the entire cost of everything, then I lose money and I go out of business next year and once i'm out of business, then where will you as the customer be left?

That's is the best olive branch a dealer can be expected to do.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

It's pretty funny. Once I got to my parents house, my dad was driving around his White diesel tractor. No fuel heater, no convertor, no additives. Always starts and runs fine in the winter. The neighbor had his Kubota diesel out as well. SMH

Ask your neighbor what he does to avoid fuel gelling? Your father's White tractor likely had a winter blend of fuel in the tank or featured an automatic inline fuel heater as standard (or an option your dad never told you about) that works just like Kioti's in that it kicks on below freezing all by itself.

But your tractor with only nine hours on it, has diesel #2 and that stuff just clouds up with wax below freezing. It is something you just need to know about.

Given that, you can either sit around and complain about it some more to increasingly deaf ears, or you celebrate that your problem is now solved, that you've learned something new, and get on with your life as a happy camper.

Guess which version of racer726 the rest of us want to interact with? Smile.

 

[thorholt]

It's pretty funny. Once I got to my parents house, my dad was driving around his White diesel tractor. No fuel heater, no convertor, no additives. Always starts and runs fine in the winter. The neighbor had his Kubota diesel out as well. SMH

Are the other tractors also Tier 4? The tier 4 engines all have to have much finer screens\filters in the fuel system due to the much finer orifices in the injector that help the engine meet the tier 4 requirements, Thank your government.
That being said I think they should be equipping all their tier 4 tractors with the necessary fuel heaters if they plan on selling them in North America.

 

[TSO]

I use PowerService Diesel treatment both in summer and winter (they have two blends).

But if the guy buys a tractor from me in Michigan, and the tractor won't even run in winter unless it has the optional fuel line heater.... Well, that isn't much of an option, it's a necessity. I would be adding it (if I was the dealer) and trying to get Kioti to foot the bill.

Happy customers = future revenues.

 

[TSO]

Racer76 ... I meant to ask you... Did you look at the Massey units when you were there? I'd like to hear why you went with the Kioti?

(Just your observations and feelings ... I'm not looking to start anything!)

 

[94BULLITT]

You guys have me confused about diesel fuel. Our pumps are not marked #1 or #2. I can only think of one person here having a problem with their fuel gelling and that was in a Chevy with a Duramax. He was not using the cover over the grill either. I thought sometime in the fall that diesel fuel changed to a "winter blend" like they do gas??????

 

[MinnesotaEric]

You guys have me confused about diesel fuel. Our pumps are not marked #1 or #2. I can only think of one person here having a problem with their fuel gelling and that was in a Chevy with a Duramax. He was not using the cover over the grill either. I thought sometime in the fall that diesel fuel changed to a "winter blend" like they do gas??????

In cold areas gas stations switch over as temperatures change with their weekly fill up, but if you have a tractor with fuel sitting around since summer, that fuel is diesel #2. The way you make that fuel work in colder temperatures is cutting with diesel #1 or use kerosene, adding anti-waxing additives, and adding deicers so that any water in the fuel, stays liquid. 20-50% diesel #1 blends are normal for winterized fuels (50% should be good down to -40 degrees F). Diesel #1 makes less heat and less power and so the more diesel #2 is diluted with diesel #1, the less heat the engine generates and the less power the fuel makes, and frankly the less lubrication the fuel offers to the fuel pump. As a result, people cover up diesel radiators as needed to help the engine build heat in cold places.

 

[coobie]

I think it,s a fuel issue also.I live in Michigan and never had any gelling issues in any of my diesel equipment.I use Opti-lube winter diesel fuel improver good for -50 degrees below zero in my 300 gal.#2 diesel fuel tank.

 

[s219]

Since I buy diesel in lots of about 110 gallons at a time, I add anti-gel (and biocide, and stabilizer) no matter what time of year it is. I don't have to worry about buying summer fuel and using it in the winter, or rely on the supplier to accurately tell me when they switched blends as winter nears. Our winter climate is all over the place and it's not worth the gamble in the fringe months where summer blend might still be available but we get freak cold spells. This year, some of our coldest weather came in November.

I remember having some of my dad's diesel equipment gel up when I was a kid, and it was a major PITA that severely hampered work at his business for a few days. It was caused by summer fuel sitting in the tank when winter arrived early.