NX4510 questions

[jgedmond]

Bought a NX4510 last November. Just passed 200 hours. Had a B7800 Kubota before. 2000 hours on that machine. The HST on the Kubota was instant. The Kioti does have a slight lag, and was 'different' from the Kubota. Now don't even notice. Like the 2 pedal HST over the rocker that Kubota has. That was a big factor in going with Kioti. Did have one problem from the beginning, the rear main seal was leaking. Must have been a bad seal from factory. No issues with warranty fixing it. Since, there have been no issues. Very happy with machine. My Kubota was very light and limited in what it could do. The NX with the bigger weight makes earth work much faster. Price wise, 8k cheaper than a comparable Kubota. I think the HST plus on the Kubota is probably nice, but not 8k nice. That will get me 3 new implements. Hope your search goes well. Don't think you'll go wrong with either brand, but I would stay away from the 3560. 35 hp in that size tractor will leave you wanting or needing more power. Go up to the 42 or 47 hp one. The dealer had a NX 5010 on the lot for 3k more. Wish I would have gone that way. Oh well, still very happy.

As I mentioned above, I think that the NX4510 is a great value. I was looking at the Shuttle version because that is what I am used to. After driving the 45 HST, I think that will work better for me. Long story short, I was quoted only $1400 more for the NX5010 compared to the NX4510. I am thinking about the 50 to offset the loss of PTO hp on the 45 HST (33.9) versus 45 Shuttle (37.6). The 50 HST PTO hp is 38.9. I plan to sign the paperwork before the current incentives run out.

Kioti Dave were there were option differences on the 45 & 50 that the dealer showed you?

 

[Kioti Dave]

As I mentioned above, I think that the NX4510 is a great value. I was looking at the Shuttle version because that is what I am used to. After driving the 45 HST, I think that will work better for me. Long story short, I was quoted only $1400 more for the NX5010 compared to the NX4510. I am thinking about the 50 to offset the loss of PTO hp on the 45 HST (33.9) versus 45 Shuttle (37.6). The 50 HST PTO hp is 38.9. I plan to sign the paperwork before the current incentives run out.

Kioti Dave were there were option differences on the 45 & 50 that the dealer showed you?

From what I could tell, they had same options. 2 remotes, radio and rear view mirror.

 

[AllByteNoBark]

I know this is the Kioti section but since I started the thread with questions about the NX thought should update it. AS mentioned above I thing the NX looks like a great deal but decided to go with the Kubota due to my personal circumstances.

Kioti Dave, you comment about 35 hp is I believe quite accurate in most cases. In my case I do not see it as much of a problem. I am at 120 feet above sea level so basically zero hp loss do to location. Also there is not what I would call a hill in sight. Highest point on my property is 120 feet above sea level and the lowest is 115 feet above sea level. I have been using a John Deere 950 and the new tractor, while only showing 6 hp more, feels much, much stronger and more capable.

With that said here is the new ride.

 

[jgedmond]

Congrats on the new tractor!

 

[Threepoint]

From what I could tell, they had same options. 2 remotes, radio and rear view mirror.

Jgedmond, in addition to the two sets of rear remotes, ask your dealer what he'd charge to add a third set. As with the other options, now's the cheapest time to do it. It will come in handy if you add top 'n tilt, which ties up the first two sets. E.g., I use my third pair to operate a cylinder added to my Woods HBL84 rear blade to operate its offset function. Another use would be for a PTO log splitter.

Kioti doesn't officially "offer" the third set as an option (or at least hasn't in the past). But it's easy for the tech to do with one additional "second remote" kit that stacks right onto the others. Just need two longer bolts, 10 x 1.25 x 170mm (available at Fastenal) to accommodate the additional thickness of the valve body. As you've seen, there is already a dedicated slot in the cab for the lever.

 

[Threepoint]

I know this is the Kioti section but since I started the thread with questions about the NX thought should update it. [snip]

With that said here is the new ride.

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Very nice!

 

[jgedmond]

Jgedmond, in addition to the two sets of rear remotes, ask your dealer what he'd charge to add a third set. As with the other options, now's the cheapest time to do it. It will come in handy if you add top 'n tilt, which ties up the first two sets. E.g., I use my third pair to operate a cylinder added to my Woods HBL84 rear blade to operate its offset function. Another use would be for a PTO log splitter.

Kioti doesn't officially "offer" the third set as an option (or at least hasn't in the past). But it's easy for the tech to do with one additional "second remote" kit that stacks right onto the others. Just need two longer bolts, 10 x 1.25 x 170mm (available at Fastenal) to accommodate the additional thickness of the valve body. As you've seen, there is already a dedicated slot in the cab for the lever.

Threepoint thanks for the advice. I recently came to the same conclusion and am now priced with three remotes. I need two for an offset flail and I may add a top cylinder.

My last decision before signing paperwork is Shuttle (4510) or HST (5010 for more PTO hp). I don't want to open that can of worms here as I already read a bunch of threads / opinions on TBN and elsewhere. For my uses (brush hog / flail mowing, food plots, non-precision grapple / bucket work), shuttle is probably the way to go. It bothers me though that 80 - 90% of new SCUT / CUT tractors are HST, which makes me think that I am missing something. My lack of experience with HST makes me reluctant to spend $30,000+ and not know if I will be happy with it. I will make a decision before Monday when the free loader incentive ends. :laughing:

 

[Threepoint]

Ha! I can't help with the shuttle/HST decision, other than to say be sure to spend some seat time at the dealer's yard operating both types. Last year, when I added a CK3510SE HST, I was open to a shuttle-shift, as the then-sales manager was very high on the new SE shuttle models. But when I test drove one, I did not like the fact that I had to come to a complete dead stop before shifting into reverse. Discovered it to my embarrassment as I gnashed the gears, just as I was asking him if a dead stop was necessary. :embarrassed: Doh! Makes complete sense, of course, when you think about it. But after 26 years of only HSTs that allow sloppy "glides" when changing direction for loader work, I was too spoiled to make that change. YMMV

 

[Kioti Dave]

Threepoint thanks for the advice. I recently came to the same conclusion and am now priced with three remotes. I need two for an offset flail and I may add a top cylinder.

My last decision before signing paperwork is Shuttle (4510) or HST (5010 for more PTO hp). I don't want to open that can of worms here as I already read a bunch of threads / opinions on TBN and elsewhere. For my uses (brush hog / flail mowing, food plots, non-precision grapple / bucket work), shuttle is probably the way to go. It bothers me though that 80 - 90% of new SCUT / CUT tractors are HST, which makes me think that I am missing something. My lack of experience with HST makes me reluctant to spend $30,000+ and not know if I will be happy with it. I will make a decision before Monday when the free loader incentive ends. :laughing:

If you are able to go to dealer and drive machine around, do so. I went and drove my 4510 3 times for a total of about 2 hours before buying. Drove around yard pretending to do loader work, etc. Making sure you will be happy with purchase is very important. Getting a new machine is very exciting! Have fun.

 

[jgedmond]

Thanks for the advice guys. I did drive an NX4510 HST for a short time. This was the first time that I ever used an HST. I liked the way it worked compared to my Mahindra shuttle. None of the dealer's 3 locations has a shuttle NX on their lots, so I have not been able to drive that transmission. I am thinking about visiting some further away dealers if they have shuttles in stock.