Off Shore Banking

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My question(s) here are completely financial in nature, and I suspect there are many members of this forum who either 1. already have some of the information I am seeking, or 2. would appreciate at least reading about it. Toward that end I ask that any replies/discussion please focus on the logistics of moving and storing financial assets, not on any political side issues of who, why, etc.

In a hypothetical paradigm where the US dollar goes into a decline to the point where it is replaced by many/most other nations as the international currency of exchange there would be serious consequences to savings and investment accounts that are held inside the US...regardless of the nature of the investment. At a minimum their value would fall, and at a maximum they could disappear. At least that is my concern. Historically governments have frequently just taken the assets of citizens when hyperinflation presented the government with the option of collapse or confiscate. My history is marginal, but I believe that's what happened in Yugoslavia, and might well have happened in Greece this year had it not been artificially propped up by outside monies. In any case....I don't wish to debate that here, but for myself I accept the possibility of at least some private asset confiscation (either directly or indirectly) as a possibility in this hypothetical paradigm.

My first response in preparation to such a circumstance would be to store a reasonable amount of necessary consumable goods, but one of my next responses would be (with my current limited understanding) to move some financial assets out of reach of the potentially desperate government whose currency could be in collapse. Finally I come to my basic question....I'm looking for first-hand (or very close "friend of a friend" ;)) information about establishing a savings/holding account of some sort somewhere not just out of reach, but not even reportable (is this possible?) to the gov. I'd certainly appreciate hearing from any of you who might know the basics of what is possible in this area, as well as how one might go about it. Thanks in advance for any information.
 
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I don't have the information you seek but keep in mind an offshore bank account will not help you if you deposit US dollars and the US dollar collapses. What you might want to do is invest in Gold or Foreign currency of your choice all of which can be done with a brokerage account and you can move it around electronically from there

You are on the right track in storing a significant amount of food, medicines and other consumables with which you could barter for goods or services with your surplus if the need arises. Remember if the worse happens...people will want food, water, medicine and other essentials...toothpaste, toilet paper...see what I mean ? Folks can't eat gold or Foreign currency nor would they be willing to sell food for gold if everyone is hungry...Just something to ponder...MY 2 cents.
 
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You are on the right track in storing a significant amount of food, medicines and other consumables with which you could barter for goods or services with your surplus if the need arises.
If the **** hits the fan and it gets to the point where you have to barter for food in the United States, would the society even be worth living in?

Hmmm, I can just see Jesus bartering for food:D

God forbid we try to look out for one another and help one another.
 
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I don't have the information you seek but keep in mind an offshore bank account will not help you if you deposit US dollars and the US dollar collapses.
I would use US dollars for deposit, but the point would be to convert them at the time of deposit to the local currency, so when/if the dollar drops even further, that account is insulated from that drop. I'm looking for info from those who've already done the homework (yes...I am trying to copy someone's homework...but I will double check the answers before I turn it in:)) as to the safest, most stable locations/currencies to consider, as well as how to best go about doing it. Not looking to cheat the gov, and will report anything I am required by law to report....but I am looking to put some assets out of their reach.

I have heard some folks talk about buying hard assets (diamonds, silver, gold, old coins, etc.) and simply hiding them. The problem I see with that is that we already have a history in this country of the gov confiscating gold once before....so even if one kept the gold hidden, it would become far less useful/valuable at the point the public was prohibited from owning it, plus one would become a criminal at that point if you didn't turn it in for the specified compensation....so I don't see that as a solution.
 
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I'm completely ignorant about offshore banking.

Consider contacting some offshore banks and find out what is required to open an account.:D
 
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Leave the country for a tax year, open an account in another country, deposit your per-deim there. Change some it it to U.S. dollars. Physically visit as needed. You'll need to prove you have business in that "another country".
 
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As long as you report the accounts and claim any income on your taxes I think it is all perfectly legal.

But is it practical? If we did have a period of hyperinflation would you be looking to stay in the US and convert monies back to dollars as needed or would you move to the other country and draw on the account as you 'wait it out'?

I know during the Argentinian crisis there were stories of workers being paid twice a day because inflation was going up by the hour. They had to take a wheelbarrow load of cash to the grocery store to buy bread because the money had so little value. In this scenario even having off-shore money might not be worth what you think. You would want to make lots of small conversions to offset the rapid depreciation. Each time you convert money you pay a fee so the fee's might add up fast in that scenario.

I found this white paper which talks about inflation, hyperinflation etc. Have not had a chance to read it but it looks interesting:

http://www.dallasfed.org/research/er/1993/er9304c.pdf

I read an article a while back that said every country whose debt exceeded their GNP has gone through hyperinflation. They said the US was either 78 or 85% of the way there, don't remember exactly. Of course just a bad economic period where the output of the country drops below the debt threshold could put you in that situation. The income goes way down but the debt stays the same. Suddenly the government has no credit and can't fund through debt instruments (credit flight) and the merry go round stops.
 
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You can draw on favorable currency exchange rates during the wait out.
 
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I had a friend that had an "offshore" account... with lots of money... than one day, he didn't...

Gee was he following U.S Government guide lines? Or was he in a banana republic?

Some major allies of our don't sieze assets and if your playing by the rules your OK, plus on some contracts in some countries, your not going to have a choice in US Greenbacks.
 
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In dysfunctional times bank accounts may not mean anything. The whole monetary system only works with stability.:D
 
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In dysfunctional times bank accounts may not mean anything. The whole monetary system only works with stability.:D

Or major nations fixing rates and controlling currency. :) :)

yeah, stable, and free ---- NOT :)
 
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In dysfunctional times bank accounts may not mean anything. The whole monetary system only works with stability.:D

Or major nations fixing rates and controlling currency. :) :)

yeah, stable, and free ---- NOT :)

Egon..you and riptides hit it on the head...If as George W. Bush once said " This Sucker could Go Down " - Then I submit..all bets are off and there is no safe place because if our dollar goes down and it is the reserve currency of the world, what happens to all the other currencies..Right now for what it's worth I still believe to be safe ...just stock up on food, water, medicine ,seeds etc. - the things commonly in demand...everyone has to eat etc.

Let's all just hope we can stop an implosion from taking place.:)
 
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I have som ethouights on this subject:

1. If somehow the world decided to switch from the US Dollar to another currency (Euro is all that it could be), think of the hit China and Japan would take (they have HUGE US Dollar receivables). China is pretty powerful and won't let that happen.

2. Even if it did happen, the world wouldn't end. We would still us US dollars in the US and exports would get cheaper and drive up demand to build in the USA.

I think you are thinking too much here.

MoKelly
 
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I have som ethouights on this subject:

1. If somehow the world decided to switch from the US Dollar to another currency (Euro is all that it could be), think of the hit China and Japan would take (they have HUGE US Dollar receivables). China is pretty powerful and won't let that happen.

2. Even if it did happen, the world wouldn't end. We would still us US dollars in the US and exports would get cheaper and drive up demand to build in the USA.

I think you are thinking too much here.

MoKelly

Mo....I think you are probably right ..In fact I choose to believe your version...It makes sense to me ! Thanks for putting some water on the fire..Now you gotta be right Mo...:laughing::thumbsup:
 
 
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