I'm looking to find a Wix/Napa oil filter for my Mahindra 2810HST with the Daedong/Kioti 3A139A-DY1 engine. Wix doesn't list one. Another poster has suggested the 51626 filter has been used by others but it has a by-pass valve PSI of 8-11. Posters on the Kioti forum have used the 51182 filter which has a by-pass valve PSI of 24. Both filters have similar specs otherwise, gasket O.D.-I.D.-thickness, diameter, thread size, with the 51182 being 1-1/2" +- longer (more filter media) which won't be an issue. Anyone have some knowledge of the by-pass valve setting or a way to find out or should I just bite the bullet & get them from the dealer (less convenient than a local parts store).
Oil filter question
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If the bypass valve is to allow the oil to continue to flow if the filter becomes plugged, that would be good, i would assume.
Pardon me for this, but I just don't understand why people are always trying to skimp a little on oil filters, the heart, liver and kidneys of a tractor. Most "will fits" are just that. They'll fit, or nearly, but they don't always do exactly the same job the OEM does. You should be able to buy that filter from Kioti or the Mahindra dealer, and in my case, they were cheap. If it's inconvenient, buy several and you only have to make a trip every few hundred hours. I spent pretty good money for my tractor and have no problem using original equipment, and my dealer is 35 miles down the road. I can even call them and they'll have them shipped to me in a couple of days. John
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<font color="blue"> Pardon me for this, but I just don't understand why people are always trying to skimp a little on oil filters, the heart, liver and kidneys of a tractor. </font>
I know my motivation would be driven because I want to change my oil and filter every 50 hours. I think the engine oil filter for my Kubota costs something like $14 now. That is about double what the oil costs for Shell RotillaT.
Now the manufacturer recommends oil changes at 100 hours and filter changes at 200 hours (if I remember right). At $14 per filter, I guess I will be forced to follow the manufacturer's recommendations at least as far as filters go. I will still change the oil every fifty hours though...
I guess there are those that want to do it as cheap as possible at the right intervals and those that want to exceed the manufacurer's specs, but are not encouraged to do better than best, when filters cost so much...
That is my take on it anyway.
I know my motivation would be driven because I want to change my oil and filter every 50 hours. I think the engine oil filter for my Kubota costs something like $14 now. That is about double what the oil costs for Shell RotillaT.
Now the manufacturer recommends oil changes at 100 hours and filter changes at 200 hours (if I remember right). At $14 per filter, I guess I will be forced to follow the manufacturer's recommendations at least as far as filters go. I will still change the oil every fifty hours though...
I guess there are those that want to do it as cheap as possible at the right intervals and those that want to exceed the manufacurer's specs, but are not encouraged to do better than best, when filters cost so much...
That is my take on it anyway.
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I have to agree with John. For the small price of filters it's not worth compromising OEM quality for your needs. Have your dealer UPS the filters to you and you will have more "peace of mind" knowing that your equipment is protected like the manufacturer intended it to be.
My feeling is the OEM filter is made by an unkown manufacturer to an unknown quality. Not every manufacturer specs every component to be the very best that can be obtained. I'm sure some components are purchased because they meet the minimum quality level at an appropriate cost. Wix is regarded as a quality filter manufacturer (vs. Fram for instance) . If I can get the best product, I will. That it may be at a lower cost is obviously better, adding the convienence of multiple sources with later hours of operation & it's just a further benefit. At least thats what I was aiming for.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( My feeling is the OEM filter is made by an unkown manufacturer to an unknown quality. Not every manufacturer specs every component to be the very best that can be obtained. I'm sure some components are purchased because they meet the minimum quality level at an appropriate cost. Wix is regarded as a quality filter manufacturer (vs. Fram for instance) . If I can get the best product, I will. That it may be at a lower cost is obviously better, adding the convienence of multiple sources with later hours of operation & it's just a further benefit. )</font>
I agree. I buy Wix, Napa or Purolator filters with confidence. I won't touch anything else, except Toyota filters for my truck--when and if they are on sale.
Napa filters are made by Wix. Their part number is a subset of the Wix number, according to the counter guy at the local Napa store. A cursory glance at the cross reference charts indicates he is correct.
SnowRidge
I agree. I buy Wix, Napa or Purolator filters with confidence. I won't touch anything else, except Toyota filters for my truck--when and if they are on sale.
Napa filters are made by Wix. Their part number is a subset of the Wix number, according to the counter guy at the local Napa store. A cursory glance at the cross reference charts indicates he is correct.
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Boy.. I see fram is the red-headed stepchild of filters.. just about every sub here kicks it around...
Considering ford specced fram filters for their N series tractor line that has been around since 39.. that can't suck too bad.
I've used a fram c3 or c3-p ( better ) on my N-series tractors for years now... In fact.. the c3-p looks as good as the aftermarket no-name filters you can get at 'restoration' sites.. and looks better than the filter available at NH dealers (ford ).. A napa 1010gold does look a bit better than the fram c3-p though.
That said, the fram filter for my IH cub is the same deal.. fram looks better than the case supplied filter.. but the napa looks better..
Obviously some one/group has had a bad experience with a fram filter and it has really spread. Have I just been luck that that specific filter just happens to be good or does anyone have the 'real' story on this.
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Considering ford specced fram filters for their N series tractor line that has been around since 39.. that can't suck too bad.
I've used a fram c3 or c3-p ( better ) on my N-series tractors for years now... In fact.. the c3-p looks as good as the aftermarket no-name filters you can get at 'restoration' sites.. and looks better than the filter available at NH dealers (ford ).. A napa 1010gold does look a bit better than the fram c3-p though.
That said, the fram filter for my IH cub is the same deal.. fram looks better than the case supplied filter.. but the napa looks better..
Obviously some one/group has had a bad experience with a fram filter and it has really spread. Have I just been luck that that specific filter just happens to be good or does anyone have the 'real' story on this.
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Egon
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Soundguy:
Wish I could answere the question as I used only Fram for many years. Got a Dodge Cummins and was told any damage caused by use of a fram filter would not be covered under warranty.
About 15 years ago a friend who was an instructor at a technical college asked the auto dept. about Fram filters. The answere indicated Fram made three filter grades. The chain store variety of lowest quality. Next a very good filter and finally one which was capable of even removing some of the oil additives. Long time ago and things change.
Sure would like to see a proper lab report on filters.
Egon
Wish I could answere the question as I used only Fram for many years. Got a Dodge Cummins and was told any damage caused by use of a fram filter would not be covered under warranty.
About 15 years ago a friend who was an instructor at a technical college asked the auto dept. about Fram filters. The answere indicated Fram made three filter grades. The chain store variety of lowest quality. Next a very good filter and finally one which was capable of even removing some of the oil additives. Long time ago and things change.
Sure would like to see a proper lab report on filters.
Egon
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Sure would like to see a proper lab report on filters)</font>
There was an independent engine oil filter study done around 2001, reportedly by a fellow named Russ Knize. His webpage is no longer accessible (at least to me), but the results are archived here
Engine Oil Filter Study
One of the interesting observations was that filters manufactured by the same company, but branded differently are oftentime very different in construction. So the conventional wisdom of "I'll buy filter X, since it is cheaper than filter Y, and they are both made by the same company" may not always be the best poilcy.
For example, the Mobil-1 filter is made by Champion, but its construction is unique and not at all like the Champion branded filters.
I haven't seen any more recent, nor more scientific study of filters. Has anyone else?
There was an independent engine oil filter study done around 2001, reportedly by a fellow named Russ Knize. His webpage is no longer accessible (at least to me), but the results are archived here
Engine Oil Filter Study
One of the interesting observations was that filters manufactured by the same company, but branded differently are oftentime very different in construction. So the conventional wisdom of "I'll buy filter X, since it is cheaper than filter Y, and they are both made by the same company" may not always be the best poilcy.
For example, the Mobil-1 filter is made by Champion, but its construction is unique and not at all like the Champion branded filters.
I haven't seen any more recent, nor more scientific study of filters. Has anyone else?
You're right, Fram has become the ******* child. I just based my opinions on the info I've learned here. They may make varying levels of quality but I'd rather play it safe. I do use Fram on her Escort, where it's located it's very difficult to get a wrench on, so that coating on the end makes it easier for me to get it off. 110,000 miles & still going strong, maybe I am off base in saying there not very good.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Wish I could answere the question as I used only Fram for many years. Got a Dodge Cummins and was told any damage caused by use of a fram filter would not be covered under warranty.)</font>
Not sure how it is in Canada. Here in the US if a auto dealer claims that OEM filter must be used to keep warranty. The dealer (manufacturer) must supply (at no charge) the OEM filter. There was an Act passed can't remember the name. Not sure if this is the same for tractors or other motorized equipment.
Not sure how it is in Canada. Here in the US if a auto dealer claims that OEM filter must be used to keep warranty. The dealer (manufacturer) must supply (at no charge) the OEM filter. There was an Act passed can't remember the name. Not sure if this is the same for tractors or other motorized equipment.
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Interesting.
I've used Fram oil filters on my vehicles exclusively for the past 25 years. I tend to keep cars a long time and some had well over 100K miles when sold. I've never had a problem with Fram filters nor had I heard that there was a problem with them.
Jeff
I've used Fram oil filters on my vehicles exclusively for the past 25 years. I tend to keep cars a long time and some had well over 100K miles when sold. I've never had a problem with Fram filters nor had I heard that there was a problem with them.
Jeff
Egon
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It's the same in Canada. It was sort of suggested not to use Fram.
Interestingly the price of dealer filter went down to the price of a Fram as soon as the name Fram was mentioned.
Then I think for the warranty if a filter part was responsible Cumins would in turn go to Fram ????? Lots of inuendoes and disinformation confusing me and I'm still confused.
Just for peace of mind bought filters at the Cumins dealer which were priced less than a Fram.
Maybe just a note that pre 24 valve and 12 valve 5.9 Cumins have different oil filters due to different oil pressure.
Egon
Interestingly the price of dealer filter went down to the price of a Fram as soon as the name Fram was mentioned.
Then I think for the warranty if a filter part was responsible Cumins would in turn go to Fram ????? Lots of inuendoes and disinformation confusing me and I'm still confused.
Just for peace of mind bought filters at the Cumins dealer which were priced less than a Fram.
Maybe just a note that pre 24 valve and 12 valve 5.9 Cumins have different oil filters due to different oil pressure.
Egon
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The problem is that the CUT manufacturers do not publicize the filter specs. So in the case of my Cub, I can find a Wix filter that is the same physical size, but I don't know the filter material specs or the bypass pressure. So I am reluctant to take a chance, even though I am out of warranty. But I sure would like to find a cheaper alternative to the $85 hydraulic filter.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Not sure how it is in Canada. Here in the US if a auto dealer claims that OEM filter must be used to keep warranty. The dealer (manufacturer) must supply (at no charge) the OEM filter. There was an Act passed can't remember the name. Not sure if this is the same for tractors or other motorized equipment. )</font>
Think you refer to the Magnusson Moss Act.
A lot of guys at another site trying to use this as a basis for warranty coverage on their Power Stroke Fords after installing aftermarket performance equipment. Think they are out of luck. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
MM Act
Think you refer to the Magnusson Moss Act.
A lot of guys at another site trying to use this as a basis for warranty coverage on their Power Stroke Fords after installing aftermarket performance equipment. Think they are out of luck. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
MM Act
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I think the engine oil filter for my Kubota costs something like $14 now. )</font>
Wow Henro, my Kioti transmission filter didn't cost me that much! I think the Oil filter was half that for the Kioti brand. I know there are a lot of good filters out there, but as someone else stated, I'm not sure of the specs on these filters, i.e. bypass pressures etc. so I'll stick with my Kioti original equipment. I, too, change my oil every 50 hours. It always looks like a good idea after I drain it! John
Wow Henro, my Kioti transmission filter didn't cost me that much! I think the Oil filter was half that for the Kioti brand. I know there are a lot of good filters out there, but as someone else stated, I'm not sure of the specs on these filters, i.e. bypass pressures etc. so I'll stick with my Kioti original equipment. I, too, change my oil every 50 hours. It always looks like a good idea after I drain it! John
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Well.. that is one thing.. All the filters I'm refering to are element/cartridge style filters.. not spin on jobs.. meaning the bypass pressure thing is not in play.. For instance as My N tractors hae a seperate oil bypass and relief valve at the front of the timing cover.. and the whole oil filtration system is bypass driven in the first place.
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I've seen this sort of post in the past and it is always interesting to read who uses what filter and who won't use anything but OEM. I guess I will say I DON'T use OEM now that my unit is out of warranty. I FOR SURE DON'T use OEM oil. Or should I say NEW HOLLAND OIL. How many folks out there use ONLY OEM OIL? I hear so much about OEM filters I wonder if using OEM OIL is also a big voodoo issue with those that don't want to chance pinching penny for the heart and liver of a unit.
Is the bad blood transfusion also an issue? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Now I guess I am a penny pincher. I did buy a hydro filter for 24.00 this weekend only because Wix didn't have a replacement filter for it. However, I did buy a set of filters for my car, truck, JD and New Holland all for less that OEM filters for my JD. I know my truck has well over 100,000 miles and good oil and filters keeps it running well. I don't use any OEM for it just good up-keep.
I notice that I had a denso oil filter from the dealer on my TC33 and was told that normally they come with that filter from the factory but they changed them to a larger\different one after the first 50 hours...
So... I use Rotella and Wix filters and grease it with some high quality grease purchased from one of the local automotive stores. With that said, I hope to get as many hours as my old 55 Oliver did when Napa provided the filters for it.
Is the bad blood transfusion also an issue? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Now I guess I am a penny pincher. I did buy a hydro filter for 24.00 this weekend only because Wix didn't have a replacement filter for it. However, I did buy a set of filters for my car, truck, JD and New Holland all for less that OEM filters for my JD. I know my truck has well over 100,000 miles and good oil and filters keeps it running well. I don't use any OEM for it just good up-keep.
I notice that I had a denso oil filter from the dealer on my TC33 and was told that normally they come with that filter from the factory but they changed them to a larger\different one after the first 50 hours...
So... I use Rotella and Wix filters and grease it with some high quality grease purchased from one of the local automotive stores. With that said, I hope to get as many hours as my old 55 Oliver did when Napa provided the filters for it.
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Henro,
I haven't priced OEM filters at my local dealer yet, but unless they are close to the price at Kubotastore.com, I will consider buying my filters online. If you want to continue using OEM filters, their prices appear to be well below the price you stated it was costing you for OEM filters ($14).
FarmNut
I haven't priced OEM filters at my local dealer yet, but unless they are close to the price at Kubotastore.com, I will consider buying my filters online. If you want to continue using OEM filters, their prices appear to be well below the price you stated it was costing you for OEM filters ($14).
FarmNut
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