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[Gatorboy]

Gatorboy is the TBN instigator.

I'm the TBN "Voice of Reason" ... you just haven't been around here long enough to figure this out.

 

[czechsonofagun]

Yup, spent most of my life under the government of similar voices of reasons, no thanks. I prefer to ask questions about things and not to accept limits and voice of reasons - thats for sure the road nowhere.

But different people are different.

 

[MikePA]

Yup, spent most of my life under the government of similar voices of reasons, no thanks. I prefer to ask questions about things and not to accept limits and voice of reasons - thats for sure the road nowhere.

But different people are different.

There's a vast difference between a government imposing censorship and your example in this thread of a private company determining what web sites it will provide access to. People who spout off about the first amendment don't appear to have even read it, specifically the first 5 words. "Congress shall pass no law...". Notice it does not say "Paneras shall pass no law...".

 

[czechsonofagun]

The problem was it was not just government but everybody. It is scary what is considered normal to be blocked - everybody understands and finds certain things normal. After all, as they taught me in marx leninism class - freedom is only recognised necessity - in a sense that you need to understand why is your freedom cut down.

It remains me of that joke about a guy who is falling down from a skycraper. On every floor they hear him saying: "so far, so good...so far, so good".

Anyway pardon my involvement, you dont know how much freedom you have in your country and you take it for granted. I don't.

 

[AndyM]

I'll save my money...
I'll buy a one dollar cheeseburger from the McDonald's drive-thru, and eat it while I'm surfing the internet on my computer at home!

 

[MikePA]

...you dont know how much freedom you have in your country and you take it for granted. I don't.

Please do not tell me what I know nor tell me what I take for granted.

 

[czechsonofagun]

No offense, please.

I was speaking generally about Americans. I dont know you - but people I interact daily with make me sometimes wonder. And all of them are quite surprised when I talk about the daily reality I grew up in.

 

[Bob_Skurka]

you dont know how much freedom you have in your country and you take it for granted.

My father is was an immigrant from Czechoslovakia, I visited that nation and spent time there while it was still under communist rule.

I think your statement above is VERY CORRECT, the majority of the people here in the USA now take for granted the freedoms we have, they willingly give them up bit by bit in the false hope they will get a little more security each time, and they cannot comprehend what it is like to live under an oppressive regime.

 

[Dargo]

Your coffee shop sounds like eBay. I first joined eBay because it was a great place to buy firearms. I bought dozens there. Each had to be shipped to an FFL dealer, appropriate paperwork performed, and my license checked before I picked up any of them. Not one single time did anyone ever offer to send a firearm directly to me. Now, with their wisdom, eBay has long since banned the sale of firearms on their site. However, you can buy thousands of items that are far more dangerous and designed only to kill still. And, better yet, eBay has come up with a "private auction, pre-approved bidders only" type of auction that is a haven for criminals and scammers. In somewhat heated debates with eBay staff, they admitted that they are totally aware that well over 95% of all those auctions are scam attempts yet they do nothing about it.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but they opted to ban a perfectly legal, and extremely closely monitored, type of sale but openly create an avenue for criminal activity to flourish on their site. What am I missing here? I say that because I'm sure that you can still engauge in thousands of very illegal things on the coffee shop's free wireless internet access, yet they opt to block something that is totally legal and strictly regulated. Doesn't this sound odd to anyone else? And, I'm not buying any crap about it just being impossible to stop all illegal activities on their access. Of course it would be impossible. But, to block a perfectly legal activity and not even pursue blocking blatently illegal scams like are so common on eBay...?

 

[MossRoad]

I'll save my money...
I'll buy a one dollar cheeseburger from the McDonald's drive-thru, and eat it while I'm surfing the internet on my computer at home!

For a buck its a double cheesburger here!