Pat's Easy Change System with a backhoe

Pete Milley · Aug 26, 2014

Hello y'all. Been a long time since I posted. I'm wondering if anyone has used Pat's Easy Change System on a category one backhoe. The company rep said it may be "iffy" for various reasons, i.e. 1/8" clearance on the pins and not enough slack in the pump hose(this is not an issue). I love my YM2000 but I'm tired of wrestling implement changes. Any advise is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

California · Aug 26, 2014

I have the 3-point backhoe that was originally sold with YM240 (YM2000), and its all the tractor can do to lift this implement. Moving the backhoe 3~4 inches* even farther back would be even harder to lift. As it is, the pressure relief squeals when I drive over a bump. (And a pressure gauge indicates the relief opens at 2300 psi).

Maybe try it, if you already have the Pat's gadgets. But if your BH is as hard to lift as mine, I wouldn't buy the Pat's or any QH just for that one application.

Edit:
*From the Pat's website:

Pat's Easy Change system will result in implements being attached 3-4" further away from the tractor

Pete Milley · Aug 27, 2014

My tractor doesn't have any problem lifting the backhoe. In fact it raises quite quickly. I am aware of the 3"-4" extension. I am more concerned with the ability of Pat's hooks handling the stress of operation. Thank you California.

California · Aug 27, 2014

Do you have any photos of your backhoe posted?

I would like to know more about what you have. If your YM2000 lifts it easily I might be able to put one like that on the YM186D.

Because Pat's is an advertiser on TBN, there must be some forum where their QH is mentioned more frequently than here in this Yanmar forum. Maybe a search would find where their users discuss them? But I expect the adapters are well made and should stand up to anything the original mounting points could handle.

Got any Burners camped in your yard?

Pete Milley · Aug 29, 2014

California, the only picture I have of my backhoe is my avatar. I bought it from RCO Tractor in Austin, Tx. It is their own brand. Thankfully the "burners" are many miles from here. Although I did work extensively on an art car for the festival this year.

boggen · Aug 30, 2014

i would think pats easy hitch ends, would mess up alignment with a "sub frame" for the backhoe.

3pt hitch backhoes, it is generally recommended to have a sub frame. so you do not destroy the 3pt hitch on rear of tractor, when backhoe is attached. other words a backhoe can swing left to right, up and down in multi directions and basically twist a 3pt hitch up beyond repair. a sub frame is placed on tractor. to keep that from happening, and allow for much more abuse of backhoe without effecting tractor.

when backhoe is off, you should be able to re-attach pats easy hitch ends.

if need be buy yourself an extra set of lower lift arms for backhoe. and just swap lower links.

Pete Milley · Aug 30, 2014

Thanks Boggen. I don't have a sub frame nor have I heard of that as a recommendation for a three point backhoe attachment. In fact I've never even seen one and I've been around agricultural equipment all of my life. I will look into it since you brought it up. It's never too late to learn something.

boggen · Aug 31, 2014

sub frame = attaching to bottom rear end of tractor (possibly some place in and around the final drive units), most likely some place on transmission, and then ran up to and connected to the framework of the FEL.

there is more likely a couple holes on backhoe. for were it would accept a sub frame holes/pins.

your weak spots without sub frame, is going to be 3pt hitch lift arms and top link, then the pins that connect them to tractor or rather metal casting of the rear end, and then all the bolts between rear of tractor to front frame that the FEL attaches to. when operating a backhoe. and say lifting up rear end of tractor off ground, to compacting dirt with backhoe bucket, to other..., you end up beating up the weak points. a sub frame is there to transfer the beating from weak points to the sub frame. a backhoe is just not a typical regular 3pt hitch attachment/implement that just gets dragged behind tractor.

as much abuse / damage i have done over the years. i might say you could un-intentionally split your tractor in half (as if you were going to service the transmission) but in this case shearing the bolts in half from use with backhoe without a sub frame. granted 3pt hitch linkages and like would more likely fail first. but... hey it could happen. this is more of an attempt to get you to look at and possibly understand why a sub frame may be important.

Pete Milley · Aug 31, 2014

Boggen, I appreciate your input and I will look into a sub frame. I wonder why dealers don't mention this when purchasing. It would seem a good selling point. At present I don't work the backhoe too hard. Mostly planting and some irrigation.