Pole Barns

[kneedeep]

Any one built or had a Pole Barn built from 6x6 post with steel truss like these?



I have a 40' Container already with enough room to build 50'-60' shed beside it. Could build a lean-to over the container with app. 8' overhang at door end and 2' on other by erecting a pole shed 50' x ??



A local Bldg Supply has several that use the containers to support a truss system similar to this;



I calculated the approximate storage area for my equipment and future planned purchases and need no less than 1500SF. Thinking of maybe a 50'x 50' with a 10' x 50' shed over the container/shop storage.

I would appreciate any pictures or input for a open equipment shed/ container storage.


PS- got the idea from EddieWalker's thread on his container barn!!

 

[franklin2]

It must be nice to build anything you want, anyway you want, and not need a building permit and have it inspected. Are you going to fasten the container to the ground somehow? With anchors and metal straps like they use on mobile homes and those portable barns you buy at the lumber store?

 

[kneedeep]

First, I have a State Homebuilder License and earn my living managing construction projects for a national company. My job requires building permits for every job, if applicable.
Building Permits and Inspections, believe it or not, protect homeowners from unscrupulous contractors that plague the industry. People who chose not to contract with licensed and insured contractors and don't obtain necessary permits are asking for trouble. In AL, a homeowner can act as a general contractor, get a permit and subcontract the work. If you contract with someone and do this instead of them obtaining the permits, YOU are responsible for the work and inspections and NOT the thief that just took your money, dropped a load of material in the yard and now you can't get him to call you back!! :loser:
I understand permits and inspections can be frustrating and unfair at times.

As far as the container, it weighs 8500# empty. It sits on a compacted bed that will have stone added for drainage. The shed will not connect to it, but a roof over it will help to keep it cooler as well as a exhaust fan. If I was going to use the container as a roof support, I would install concrete footings under each end for support.

 

[MH8675309]

I like it. The barn our produce auction is in is made this way - with the steel trusses. The trusses have a bracket on them that holds a 2x8 on edge (acts as the strapping) every 2 feet. Pretty slick.

 

[Walkin Horse]

It must be nice to build anything you want, anyway you want, and not need a building permit and have it inspected.


What brought this on. I didn't see anything about permits in the ops question.

 

[K man]

I was seriously thinking of building a pole barn 30 x 30 with 6x6 post on 10 foot centers with truss system with a finished steel roofing. Cheaper than building garage of the same size. 10,000 compared to 45,000 dollars. Then in the future I could close the sides. A building permit would be involved of course this way it will be done right plus the law is permit for anything over 100 sqf here in Canada.

 

[kco]

I was seriously thinking of building a pole barn 30 x 30 with 6x6 post on 10 foot centers with truss system with a finished steel roofing. Cheaper than building garage of the same size. 10,000 compared to 45,000 dollars. Then in the future I could close the sides. A building permit would be involved of course this way it will be done right plus the law is permit for anything over 100 sqf here in Canada.

I'm planning a similar pole barn next spring, likely 30' x 28' x 10' high. I will use wood trusses but intend to have an 8/12 or greater roof slope with attic trusses so I can have a storage area for lumber, etc., over the centre section. The shed will be used for firewood and equipment storage.

In my area(Columbia Shuswap, BC) a permit is NOT required for a simple pole barn. However, you do have to ensure it meets lot line setback requirements.

 

[kco]

I was seriously thinking of building a pole barn 30 x 30 with 6x6 post on 10 foot centers with truss system with a finished steel roofing. Cheaper than building garage of the same size. 10,000 compared to 45,000 dollars. Then in the future I could close the sides. A building permit would be involved of course this way it will be done right plus the law is permit for anything over 100 sqf here in Canada.

I'm planning a similar pole barn next spring, likely 30' x 28' x 10' high. I will use wood trusses but intend to have an 8/12 or greater roof slope with attic trusses so I can have a storage area for lumber, etc., over the centre section. The shed will be used for firewood and equipment storage.

In my area(Columbia Shuswap, BC) a permit is NOT required for a simple pole barn. However, you do have to ensure it meets lot line setback requirements.

 

[K man]

I forgot to mention the height of 10 feet to accommodate my tractor with cab. I am planning on closing it in the future so a permit is required for sure. I will have to check it out for sure if a permit is required just for the pole barn either way. Mine will be for storing my toys lol.

 

[Attono]

First, I have a State Homebuilder License and earn my living managing construction projects for a national company. My job requires building permits for every job, if applicable.
Building Permits and Inspections, believe it or not, protect homeowners from unscrupulous contractors that plague the industry. People who chose not to contract with licensed and insured contractors and don't obtain necessary permits are asking for trouble. In AL, a homeowner can act as a general contractor, get a permit and subcontract the work. If you contract with someone and do this instead of them obtaining the permits, YOU are responsible for the work and inspections and NOT the thief that just took your money, dropped a load of material in the yard and now you can't get him to call you back!! :loser:
I understand permits and inspections can be frustrating and unfair at times.

As far as the container, it weighs 8500# empty. It sits on a compacted bed that will have stone added for drainage. The shed will not connect to it, but a roof over it will help to keep it cooler as well as a exhaust fan. If I was going to use the container as a roof support, I would install concrete footings under each end for support.

Well played, Sir! Very moderate and informational.

 

[K man]

Yes indeed well informative :thumbsup:

 

[cattoon]

I have a 30x50 built with those type trusses, I had the floor poured after the roof was on then sided it with metal and used 2x6 for wall studs and finished inside with osb. It has r-19 in the walls and a drop ceiling done with 2x2 ceiling tile. No insulation in ceiling but has a minimum of 2ft airspace and is pretty well sealed. 10 ft side walls. Could not be more pleased with it, serves our purposes well. Warm and snug.

 

[muddstopper]

Here, a building permit isnt necessary for a barn structure, or at least it wasnt when my brother build his barn. Anyways, those are the same type trusses he used. 60x120 I think is the size. The trusses just sit on top of the 6x6 posts. The post are tied together with a band, but I'm not sure size, 2x8 I think. The trusses have channel on the top side for 2x's and you just nail your lathing to the 2x's. Pretty simple and fast to put up. Not sure how high his barn is but you can raise the bed of a tandem dump truck inside it. I wouldnt want to hang anything heavy from the trusses, but they hold up the roof.

 

[kneedeep]

I will look at the pole barn kits, 'Red Iron' shed and also a wood truss type structure.
Leaning toward this type of shed

Pole Barn built on your site

Prices are affordable as well. Slab and sides could easily be added as $$$ become available.

 

[franklin2]

It must be nice to build anything you want, anyway you want, and not need a building permit and have it inspected.

What brought this on. I didn't see anything about permits in the ops question.

Because I am jealous. There are a lot of threads on here where people cook up all kinds of different ideas on building all types of buildings, using all kinds of different materials, old abandoned this, re-use that, put this together with that. I think it's great, and I think all of them are good ideas and would hold up well, especially with everyone pitching in with their own ideas about how to do it.

But that doesn't matter. In my area, the building inspectors only know what they know. That is the standard way to build a pole barn or other structure, and the standard materials that could be used and the distances and spans that can be utilized with the standard material. If you have a "bought" metal building that is commonly sold by a company they recognize, they usually will ok that also.

Any thing cobbled together with different non-standard bits and pieces they are not going to pass, unless they are having a very good day and feel generous. They do not believe in "eyeballing" a structure and signing off that it's safe for snow loads and wind loads, and whatever you are going to use it for. If it had a engineers stamp on it, then that's a different story and it will pass with flying colors.

I just couldn't stand it anymore, I had to say something after reading all these different building threads. I may have said something in one of the others also. I won't say anymore about it, you know we all have to get things off our chest once in awhile. From the responses I am getting it seems most jurisdictions are pretty lax about this stuff and it doesn't apply.

At least I don't live in the town I am next to with their historical district. Those people can't even paint their house the color they want to.

 

[K man]

We hear you franklin nothing wrong with saying you thoughts on this subject of pole barns. We all have our own ideas and some have the funds to make them happy and some well they get what they can afford. I say as long as it does it's purpose who cares what they look like better than nothing. I enjoyed you post.

 

[HarleyHetz]

Pole Barn built on your site

I LIKE that!!!

 

[kneedeep]

Because I am jealous. There are a lot of threads on here where people cook up all kinds of different ideas on building all types of buildings, using all kinds of different materials, old abandoned this, re-use that, put this together with that. I think it's great, and I think all of them are good ideas and would hold up well, especially with everyone pitching in with their own ideas about how to do it.

But that doesn't matter. In my area, the building inspectors only know what they know. That is the standard way to build a pole barn or other structure, and the standard materials that could be used and the distances and spans that can be utilized with the standard material. If you have a "bought" metal building that is commonly sold by a company they recognize, they usually will ok that also.

Any thing cobbled together with different non-standard bits and pieces they are not going to pass, unless they are having a very good day and feel generous. They do not believe in "eyeballing" a structure and signing off that it's safe for snow loads and wind loads, and whatever you are going to use it for. If it had a engineers stamp on it, then that's a different story and it will pass with flying colors.

I just couldn't stand it anymore, I had to say something after reading all these different building threads. I may have said something in one of the others also. I won't say anymore about it, you know we all have to get things off our chest once in awhile. From the responses I am getting it seems most jurisdictions are pretty lax about this stuff and it doesn't apply.

At least I don't live in the town I am next to with their historical district. Those people can't even paint their house the color they want to.

franklin2,
I feel your pain almost daily- Governments that inspect are required to choose the acceptable building code they are going to use as the 'minimum standard rules to apply' . Most inspectors can and will interpret the codes using good common sense. They must sign off as 'Passed' meaning the project meets the minimum standards for whatever version of said codes adopted by government. If a lawsuit is brought, it must be proved the work was passed without meeting the min. standard for that time period. A field inspector can be held liable as well as the government.
Soooo-
Inspectors will only pass work that meets those minimum standards- UNLESS stamped engineering for the project is submitted as the standard to which said project will be constructed. This relieves the governing body and inspector from any liability from failure.
In conclusion-
I can get anything approved if a registered engineer will put their stamp on a letter, drawing, picture, etc. (for a fee!). It is all about CYA, revenue generation, protecting residents from improper construction practices. (pretty much in that order as well)
If a structure fails in a unpermitted area or is not permitted when it should have been causing injury to property or persons, the owner/ builder or both can be held liable for damages.

Now- lets get back to getting a roof over my equipment so it won't weather and rust!! :thumbsup:

 

[MH8675309]

Here where I live if the building is used for agriculture there is only a $50 permit and an inspection by the supervisor.