Possible Fix for BX 50 Series Abrupt Reverse Stop?

[thavil]

Thavil - is your dealer the one closest to you? If so, he is the same as mine.

Am very curious how it works out even though the reverse issue doesn't bother me much, yet...

Let me know if you'd prefer I keep this thread out of it if I decide to discuss it with them.

Yes, the same dealer (Mark). Go ahead and mention the thread if you want, I think he has been reading the posts anyway. He mentioned a few things on the phone yesterday that I hadn't even asked him but were discussed here. He's a good man and a good dealer, he only wants to help out where he can. He was very honest with me during this process.

 

[NuBota]

Yes, the same dealer (Mark). Go ahead and mention the thread if you want, I think he has been reading the posts anyway. He mentioned a few things on the phone yesterday that I hadn't even asked him but were discussed here. He's a good man and a good dealer, he only wants to help out where he can. He was very honest with me during this process.

Thanks - yea, I have talked with Mark on multiple occasions - excellent guy. I have been very happy with these guys as well

 

[Renob]

With all do respect for your opinion,what you need to do is go out in your lot,grab a tractor,any tractor. Put it in reverse and back into your building. If thats what you like then the BX 50 series is for you. I'm very sick of Kubota reps. and Kubota dealers making up excuses for something that should not be. No one in the wild is doing that. I really don't need Kubota people jerking me around about this. After all I have one of there BX tractors with the jerk standard equipment.

Have to agree with Mr. Loehr on this one. Big time!

I have a great deal of respect and appreciation for Messick's advice and knowledge over the years. But, if he really thinks that the abrupt reverse stop in high gear is OK on the 50 series BX's, he is nuts or doesn't know what he's talking about on this one.

 

[MikeInEburg]

Here's what I don't understand... When I was out searching for a new tractor, I tried a BX24 on the dealer's lot. And yes, when I stopped from reverse, the thing practically did a wheelie. So I knew about it going in (and ended up buying something else) Did these issues develop since you got your tractor home?
Mike

 

[dodge man]

I tested mine (BX2350) on the dealers lot and noticed it first thing. I'm kind of like Niel M., I just don't think it's that big a deal. Do I like it? No. But most of the time I don't even think about it. The only time I really notice it is when I am on dry pavement, with the engine reved up pretty high, and backing up really fast.

 

[thavil]

Here's what I don't understand... When I was out searching for a new tractor, I tried a BX24 on the dealer's lot. And yes, when I stopped from reverse, the thing practically did a wheelie. So I knew about it going in (and ended up buying something else) Did these issues develop since you got your tractor home?
Mike

Of course this issue didn't develop once the tractor was delivered to my farm (you know that already) and I really don't appreciate you asking that way.

I also tried the BX24 on the lot and knew about the issue before I bought the tractor. The BX24 (the BX25 wasn't out yet) was what I wanted for my needs (w/BH included) and this issue wasn't going to stop me from making the purchase. After reading other posts about this issue, I jumped on the bandwagon to ask Kubota if there was a fix. The regional rep and my dealer contacted me to inform me that there was a possible "fix", so why not try it out?

 

[MikeInEburg]

"Of course this issue didn't develop once the tractor was delivered to my farm (you know that already) and I really don't appreciate you asking that way. "

While my comment was not directed at anyone in particular, it seems that Kubota is taking a beating in this thread for no good reason. My point is that folks buy a great product that has this particular operational characteristic. They knew it when they bought the product - they simply couldn't have missed it. Then they speak ill of the manufacturer and it's reps (re-read some of the posts in this thread). I understand that, if an opportunity to change this characteristic came along, some folks may be interested. However, I don't think that the manufacturer is under any particular obligation.

Mike

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

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While my comment was not directed at anyone in particular, it seems that Kubota is taking a beating in this thread for no good reason. I think there is a real good reason for Kubota to take a beating on this flawed product since they changed it for later production models but haven't fixed the ones already bought by customers. My point is that folks buy a great product that has this particular operational characteristic. It is not a characteristic it is a flaw They knew it when they bought the product I've bought 7 Kubotas in 5 years and never drove one of them till after they were delivered- they simply couldn't have missed it. Then they speak ill of the manufacturer and it's reps (re-read some of the posts in this thread). I understand that, if an opportunity to change this characteristic flaw came along, some folks I believe all folks that own one of these machines would have it fixed to operate like your B7800 may be interested. However, I don't think that the manufacturer is under any particular obligation. Now come on, if it's not flawed then why don't all of the new ones operate this way. If they sell a flawed product you don't think they have any particular obligation? You buy a new car and it slams into reverse and you don't think the manufacturer has any obligation? I expect Kubota to build a great product and when they discover something they built and sold has a problem they need to do more than fix the problem for new sales. I have not mentioned this to my dealer yet but I will when I have info from other customers resolution. I can use my BX2350 and do and I'm not wanting to give it up and with care it will operate acceptably but it is not the quality I expect from Kubota. Just because I want to keep it and use it doesn't mean it's right. It's not. I had a B7800 for 3 years and other than the bar across the fuel filler cap it was a great machine but yes the bar across the fuel cap is stupid and they don't have it that way on my B3200 but anyone could see the bar across the filler cap and decide whether they could live with that. It was something that wasn't an every day use thing. In summary, the rapid stop in reverse is a flaw and beneath Kubota quality. I'm obviously a Kubota "Lover" and support them but "this flaw ain't right". I'll still recommend Kubotas to people and may even buy more but this isn't up to their quality.

Mike

This is one mans opinion. Mine. The bold type is my opinion.

 

[EE_Bota]

I have read and participated in the L3400 lift issue.
This issue about the jerky reverse stop is new to me. It is not surprising to me, however.

Fairness issues:
It is critical that you test the tractors on the lot, and if you are not happy with them, do not purchase them. Most of the characteristics are FIXED and cannot be changed without effecting other characteristics of the tractor. Much of this talk of change amounts to Kubota tuning the tractor to your INDIVIDUAL tastes. If Kubota is willing to do this, that's wonderful customer service. If they are not, this is not cause for anger.

Opportunity:
There are lot of smart folks on these forums. If you get together to find a way to improve your tractor, I think that is fabulous. You learn together. You plan together. You execute your projects. You test your results. You are tuning your tractor to suit your tastes. You are adding value to your tractor that you didn't pay for up front. You are being innovative. You saw something you didn't like, and you changed it.

Fine line:
There is a fine line between discussing your problem, telling why it bothers you, and running Kubota down and ruining their reputation unfairly. The only things that will keep you from crossing the line is your sense of honor, and you innate sense of fairness.

From where I sit: (alternative name..."tough love")
Ignorance is not bliss. Many folks talk about hydraulics without having any understanding of hydraulics. Many will attempt to discuss their hydraulics without having looked at the schematic. Many confuse flow effects with pressure effects. Compare this behavior with the phrase "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference." If you don't understand hydraulics, how can you know the difference?

 

[thavil]

While my comment was not directed at anyone in particular, it seems that Kubota is taking a beating in this thread for no good reason. My point is that folks buy a great product that has this particular operational characteristic. They knew it when they bought the product - they simply couldn't have missed it. Then they speak ill of the manufacturer and it's reps (re-read some of the posts in this thread). I understand that, if an opportunity to change this characteristic came along, some folks may be interested. However, I don't think that the manufacturer is under any particular obligation.

Mike

Mike - First, let me apologize for my remark towards you, I felt you were pointing your question directly at me. I did know about this flaw before I bought the tractor and would purchase it again. I'm only trying to jump on an opportunity to correct their flaw (good term John). I really didn't start this post for anyone to slam Kubota, I just wanted to let others know that there may be a fix to ease the pain.

My dealer will be here in 30 minutes to do his work. It's raining and nasty outside, so this should be fun!! At least I got the skid plate off yesterday before the rain started.