pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD

   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #1  

Doc_Bob

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What are the pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD? I know that NH makes a sensitrack that does it automatically. So obviously it is okay. Does running in 2WD do damage to a tractor if there is no wheel slippage? Is fuel consumption increased in 2WD versus 4WD (assuming no wheel spin)?

Bob
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #2  
Should be no problem <font color="blue"> to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD </font>
Some feel running in 4WD while on hard surface (like concrete or asphalt) causes wear and tear on the front wheel assist.
Fuel consumption might be slightly increased in 4WD vs 2WD (more work).
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #3  
"Some feel running in 4WD while on hard surface (like concrete or asphalt) causes wear and tear on the front wheel assist. "

It's not an opinion...running in 4WD on paved sufaces do lead to tire and drive train wear. The Deere CUT manuals reccomend not operating the machine in MFWD on paved surfaces. There should be not need to, with one exception: if one is towing a load, operating in 4WD adds to engine braking which can be important.

Otherwise, most of the CUT four wheel drive system are an assist to traction when necessary.

Personally, I only use the 4WD when I need it, not as a matter of normal operation.
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #4  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Personally, I only use the 4WD when I need it, not as a matter of normal operation.
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EXACTLY !!! why would you want to run in 4wd when it is not needed? The tractor will let you know when it needs 4wd.
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #5  
For many operations like soil tillage, fuel consumption is significantly increased when operating in 2wd. This is because a lot of power is wasted pushing a "dead" axle thru the ground. If you ever want to check this out, notice how much more throttle it takes to pull a disk when you are in 2wd than it does in when in 4wd. Most folks here realize that fwd lets a smaller tractor do the work of a larger 2wd. Smaller tractor, same work=less fuel. If you have fwd the only time you should not use it is on the road. As fuel costs have risen, the popularity of 2wd has decreased, especially for ag operations.
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #6  
Another way to look at it:

On my plow truck, more than a few times driving out of a snow packed driveway onto bare asphalt in 4WD mode (with a turn into traffic) I have snapped a u-joint RIGHT THERE! (like there is no question as to why and what was the cause)

Also you will note that in turns in 4WD there is always one front wheel that slips as the outer wheel has a longer distance to travel.
That in itself indicates the additional stresses on the front diff as well as wear due to slippage of that tire.
The whole effect is minimised when on an agragate or soil surface due to easy slippage.
But not on asphalt! (or concrete)
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #7  
Doc,

There were a few threads awhile ago about some kubota's not having the correct tire lead and were either neutral or lagging. What's lead and lag? Lead is where the front tires are rotating more than the rear and lag is where they are rotating slower. Ideal situation is with Lead, where in 4wd the front tires rotate 3-5% faster than the rear tires. This gives you the optimum traction and handling/steering. Most tractors are set up from the factory correctly with this amount of lead. This is no problem at all when the tractor is operated on soft natural surfaces. The ground gives way slightly and no problems occur. Even after thousands of hours of operation.

Now imagine this same situation with the tractor operated on a hard man made surface like asphalt. The slip is either with the tire surface or some thing inside the tractor. Best case the front tires wear fast, worse case, you have to spend lots of money.
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #8  
EXACTLY !!! why would you want to run in 4wd when it is not needed? The tractor will let you know when it needs 4wd.

One morning I took took my 3010 with R4's out to cut and started down one of my back hills. I forgot that I had taken it out of 4WD to run down the road the day before. Well the grass was wet and swoosh,,, I went for a very suprisingly quick ride as I slid down that hill. Needless to say I reach a new pucker level that I had never experienced before /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif. I put it into 4WD went back up the hill and came down without spinning a tire. It stayed in 4WD after that.
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #9  
The lawn gets torn up a lot more when you make sharp turns in 4wd than it does in 2wd. I only use 4wd when it's needed.

Ken
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #10  
Running a 4wd tractor in 2wd is like buying a Ferrari to drive in a parking lot....Ha ha, well, almost.

Better traction all the time in 4wd-
Better loader use in 4wd-
Better braking in 4wd-
Better steering response in 4wd-
Better fuel consumption in 4wd-
Better over all stability and mauverablility in 4wd-
Safer in 4wd for the above mentioned-
Also, 4wd is a good reason to stay off pavement and on your dirt.
Your tractor has it, use it. If you're worried about wearing it out from use, then worry about the rest of what you use becasue it will wear out too.
Let's be realistic.
Improper use of ANYTHING can result to damage....even proper use sometimes. Just my 2¢ from what I've learned using my 4wd.
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #11  
Doc -- As in most questions asked here, it depends on how you use your tractor, what you are doing at any given time, and the conditions under which you are doing it.

With just 45 hours on my tractor, I notice the front tires are showing wear. Reason? I need 4wd moving loads around the property, and do a lot of that moving on my hard gravel over packed crusher run driveway. I transition from that hard surface to soft/semi muddy ground with every load, so leave it in 4wd, but the driveway is wearing my front tires. . I could run across the lawn instead of the driveway, but that tears up the grass in a hurry with Ags mounted on a 4400 lb tractor with 800 or so lb in the bucket.

I don't mow, but if I did, I would try 2wd first since the tires are on top of the ground, not pushing through soft plowed ground. If it was wet enough to need 4wd, I probablyh would stay off the lawn, even with turfs. If I was doing real farm work -- plow, disc, cultivator, etc., I would probably use 4wd for the traction increase and to spread the pulling load over more drivetrain components.

Many tractor 4wd systems are front wheel ASSIST and not true 4wd like in a car or truck. Even there, many different systems are around, but relatively few are intended for full time 4wd operation -- Subaru is one I can think of offhand -- since it simply takes more energy to spin all those gears and shafts when 2wd will get the job done.

My opinion is to use 4wd only when it is needed, as indicated by the rears spinning or the fronts plowing sideways when you would prefer to turn. You'll very quickly learn to recognize the conditions under which 4wd will be of benefit, whether for braking, turning, or pulling. Any other time, use 2wd.
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #12  
Mine's in 4WD all the time unless I'm on the lawn or pavement. I'd be interested in seeing some manufacturer's suggestions in regards to this topic.

BR
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #13  
Probably nothing new I'm going to say here, but:

I tend to operate in 2WD unless I need 4WD.
With a little experience, you pretty much know when you'll need 4WD.
As was said, when mowing, 4WD is out. However, there is one place on my property where I need it to get up a hill without wheel spin. I do that hill with the steering pointed straight, so there is no front tire scrubbing. I switch back to 2WD at the top.

Something learned while four-wheeling trucks (both intentionally and unintentionally): By running in 2WD as long as possible, you can use 4WD as a way out. Once you get stuck in 4WD, you're done - or in for a lot of work.

All said, if you understand what happens in both modes, the selection between them makes sense, and becomes "obvious".
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #14  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Once you get stuck in 4WD, you're done - or in for a lot of work )</font>

But your truck didn't have a FEL or a backhoe /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #15  
I don't see how running a tractor in 2wd is going to hurt anything. I'm assuming you have a lever or button to switch between modes.

My L3130 stays in 2wd unless needed or is helpfull. For example...mowing across a 15-20 deg slope in 2wd the back has a tendancy to slip. Its only a tiny bit but enough that you can tell. Put in 4wd and its helpfull by getting rid of any tire slippage then once off the slope it goes back into 2wd.

Pulling a BB can be done in 2wd but as the box fills up there is tire slippage so 4wd takes the speed back up .5 mph when the slip becomes noticable. So its more efficient in this case to just use 4wd for anything except skimming. Where as mowing is generaly more efficient to use 2wd, for me anyway.

I have noticed a soft field where your pushing/pumping dirt with the front tires its better to use 4wd.
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #16  
Almost all mechanically driven 4wd tractors use a slight overrun of front to rear in 4wd. (a small amount of front wheel slippage will always occur). If the wheels cannot slip a little it will dammage the frive line..
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #17  
I only put the TC48 into 4wd when needed, or safety with braking is needed. Mostly run around in 2wd. Mine is 4 wheel assist. Your TN maybe true 4wd.
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #18  
The manufactures association lists these tractors as 2wd with front assist. They were designed as 2wd and adding the front drive axle was an after thought just like loaders were. Running is 2wd is normal and doesn't hurt anything.
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #19  
I use 2WD most of the time. However, as mentioned above, it's easy to end up with too little weight on the rear wheels doing FEL work. If you are on a slope you can end up with the rears locked up and the front rolling free down the hill. Switching to 4WD is one more safety item to keep in your head.
 
   / pros and cons to running a 4WD tractor in 2WD #20  
Sounds like I may need to change my practice and run in 2WD unless 4WD is needed. Thanks for the postings, everyone.

BR
 

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