PTO Driven Water Pump

[SuperDutyDave]

Hello

I have a Deere 3720 tractor and I am looking for a 3pt hitch and/or trailer mounted water pump that would be powered by the rear PTO. I would use it to drawn water from my dry hydrant that I installed in my farm pond. Does anyone know of a manufacturer and/or website wear I could buy one. It does not have to be of tremendous capacity and/or move trash just a decent volume of water.

Any help would be great.

Dave

ps. tractor has 35 PTO HP. 540-RPM

 

[CharlieTR]

These guys make some 3pt pumps.
Spray - Products - Summary

I don't know anything about a dry hydrant, most guys use a roller pump on their 3 pt. But the roller pump will only lift water 3 feet up to the pump, so it normally sits under or even with the water tank on a spray rig.

How high will you need to lift the water to reach the pump?

 

[MikeD74T]

SDD - Do a Google or EBAY search for irrigation pumps, there's several to choose from. MikeD74T

 

[SuperDutyDave]

the pond I have is approximately 1/2 acre...and 15' in depth. The dry hydrant is a 6" diameter pipe that sits 3' off the bottom with a strainer end on it...it comes up about 10' away from the pond and allows for you to take water out of the pond at any time of the year even if frozen...most rural fire depts use them for fire protection.

I therefore have to lift the water approximately 10-12' and thru a 6" diameter pipe...a sizable amount of water but any reasonable sized trash pump with a 10hp Honda motor will do it. 6" downsized to 2" inlet and 1.5" -2" output for use with a fire hose to wash equipment and/or flood pond surface in winter for skating. I would assume 35 pto HP would easily accomplish the same task as a 10-12hp motor.

spray type pumps are not sufficient you need a real volume pump that moves both volume and creates pressure.

SD-Dave

 

[patrick_g]

SuperDutyDave, The total vertical length of pipe involved is NOT the issue. The lift that counts is the height above the surface of the pond to the dry hydrant connection.

PTO driven roller pumps come in all capacities and are not very costly. A way better solution than many others if the "LIFT" isn't too great. Small engine driven diaphragm pumps work well too but cost more and give you yet another little engine to require maint. They will handle a larger lift than the roller pumps and are high volume low pressure vs the roller pump which is more into pressure for spraying than high volumes of flow.

Pat

 

[SuperDutyDave]

Pat

thanks for some help...the lift hieght is approximately 12+ feet...the pond is 15' deep the intake is about 2+ feet off bottom...hydrant is about 2+' above ground...so its a fairly decent lift height... really would like a three point PTO driven pump that is fixed to a three point frame work that would support in use and when stored. most sprayer or roller pumps I have seen are just loose types with no support to tractor etc.

A website or manufacturer name would be great...

SD-Dave

 

[Gryantaylor]

Pat

thanks for some help...the lift hieght is approximately 12+ feet...the pond is 15' deep the intake is about 2+ feet off bottom...hydrant is about 2+' above ground...so its a fairly decent lift height... really would like a three point PTO driven pump that is fixed to a three point frame work that would support in use and when stored. most sprayer or roller pumps I have seen are just loose types with no support to tractor etc.

A website or manufacturer name would be great...

SD-Dave

Just to clarify,
The lift height is the diffrence from the water surface elevation to the elevation of the pump. As far as the pump is concerned it doesn't matter if the pond is 15' deep or 100' deep (Not accounting for losses in the pipe of course).

 

[DrainPondDesign]

Northen Tool offers a 90 gpm PTO pump but it needs 1000 rpm, they also offer a number of shaft driven pumps where you would need to fabricate a mount & pulley drive.

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I gave up on the PTO pump idea to draw pond water & bought a cheap 110v ac lawn sprinkler pump from them instead. It draws well once primed and moves a enough water for my needs at a decent pressure.

 

[SuperDutyDave]

I think I found what I described yet it gives no specific specs on pump capacity lift, HP needed etc. What do you guys think?

3 Point Hitch PTO Pumps-540 RPM on Gator Pump, Inc.


really want to have something tractor powered...one less engine to maintain...less worry about it working and definitely sufficient power to do the job

SD-Dave

 

[KrumpsBrother]

ROVATTI PTO PUMPS

Get a real irrigation pump, Rovatti. 265 gpm @ 140psi should do the trick.

KB

 

[SPYDERLK]

Pat

thanks for some help...the lift hieght is approximately 12+ feet...the pond is 15' deep the intake is about 2+ feet off bottom...hydrant is about 2+' above ground...so its a fairly decent lift height... really would like a three point PTO driven pump that is fixed to a three point frame work that would support in use and when stored. most sprayer or roller pumps I have seen are just loose types with no support to tractor etc.

A website or manufacturer name would be great...

SD-Dave

Wrong. Like pat said, lift is 2' plus distance ground is above pond plus distance pump is above hydrant.
larry

 

[SuperDutyDave]

OK...I get it...the lift from water hieght which is below frost line is about 8 feet...regardless do you guys think the gator pump and/or the rivoatti will pull the water and give sufficient PSI for power washing fire supression etc.??

SD-Dave

 

[KrumpsBrother]

At 265gpm @ 140 psi you won't be able to hold onto the hose very well, but will make a great washdown/fire suppression pump.

KB

 

[gabby]

At 265gpm @ 140 psi you won't be able to hold onto the hose very well, but will make a great washdown/fire suppression pump.

KB

265 gpm @ 140psi? That's a water cannon! No way could you hold onto it!!!

 

[mikim]

KB--so where do you find a small one of these things and for how much?

 

[SuperDutyDave]

KB--so where do you find a small one of these things and for how much?

Exactly...the configuration is correct but the volume is way too much...my needs are much more modest...I don't need to empty my pond just drawn water out to wash equipment, flood the ice to resurface it etc.

with that baby I would need 10 brawny fire fighters to hold onto the hose!

any additional help would be great...anyone know anything about the gator company I listed back a few posts? I have emailed them with no info yet.

SD-Dave

 

[KrumpsBrother]

Check out the direct couple rovatti pumps on pg 4
http://www.microrain.net/pdfs/Rovatti%20PTO%20Pump%20Brochure.pdf

The A-model is a self primer.
They are available from ATS irrigation in TX. Maybe a grand or so.

ATS Irrigation, Inc.


Try Schumacher irrigation as well
Agricultural, Industrial and Greenhouse Water Handling: Schumacher Irrigation

Good luck, KB

 

[MikeD74T]

265 gpm @ 140psi? That's a water cannon! No way could you hold onto it!!!

One could run the pto slower if less volume/pressure was desired. The fire hose stations at my workplace are throttled to 100 psi for usage by untrained personnel. Our fire brigade members could handle 265 @ 145 psi. I noticed a hand vacuum pump on top for priming. If you're unfamiliar with pumps you might not realize how convenient this feature is. Priming some pumps is a real PITA. MikeD74T

 

[radman1]

It seems as though you want low to moderate volume with pressure capability. Try hypro.com. They have a wide variety of pumps designed for agriculture. Many are pto driven some are hydraulic driven. A moderate volume roller pump maybe what you need. Centrifugal pto pumps tend to be high volume/pressure. Roller pumps have more moderate volume with high pressure.

 

[mjarrels]

I have a PTO roller pump that I got from Northern Tool a few years ago... used it once just to test it out... will pump a 55 gal barrel dry in about 30 seconds.

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