Question about Yanmar models

[danno676]

Hello, new member with my first post. I am new to the tractor world, though I have always had some nice Wheel Horses and of course the friends that would let me borrow their Kubotas.
I have been looking for a CUT for a few months now, everything from Kubota, to Mahindra to the refurbished Yanmars. From research on this, and other, forums I have decided that if I go with Yanmar I will be getting one that has been refurb'd by Fredericks.
I have narrowed it down to these:

ym2210d 26 hp powershift 2194lb
ym2310d 28hp powershift 2127lb
ym2420d 29hp powershift 2723lb

From what I have read, the 2210 has more low end torque than the 2310 with it's 2 large cylinders, vs the 3 smaller cylinders, which would be better for running implements at lower engine rpms but higher pto gear range (I assume that can be done), also better for good low end grunt.

What I don't understand is how the 2310 can weigh so much less than the 2420 (and still less than the 2210). According to all the sites and info I can find, the numbers I have listed are correct. The specs for length and width of the 2310 and 2420 are the same so it appears that they may share the same chassis. How can the 2310 weigh 600lb less? Is the 2310 built less "heavy duty" than the others or is the 2420 just built that much better. I know there is a few year gap between the 2210 and 2310 so materials and construction are going to be weighing factors..just hard to fathom the 600lb difference.

Here is a link that has all the specs at a quick glance Yanmar tractor specifications

I am back and forth about how heavy of a machine I want for the light yard work I plan on doing, though with the FEL the added weight would be nice.

Any input on "better machine" would be appreciated as well too.

Thanks!!

 

[danno676]

I did find this thread, very interesting http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/yanmar/81255-2-model-yanmars.html?highlight=2420d
I am still interested to know what the differences are between the xx10 and xx20 tractors, so far I have gathered:
wet brakes
shifter on column
heavier transmission and axle housing (just housing or are the internals better?)

Wet brakes are nice but a light tractor is nice too, you can always add weight if you need it but you can't but a put a tractor that is built heavier on a diet, so to speak.

 

[winston1]

Welcome to the forum. :welcome:

I think you have pretty much answered your own questions. I think a good portion of the 2420's have power steering also. Personally,with this size tractors, I would consider more weight a big plus. Just my opinion.

 

[danno676]

Thank you for the welcome!!

Yeah, I am pretty sure I amswered my?'s for the most part, search button is your friend.
I still am curious if the transmission and differential internals are any beefier in the 20's vs the 10's. I agree with the weight, especially when it comes to pulling ground engaging implements and for overall traction.
Still on the fence between one of the above 3 and a Mahindra, I've been looking at the Max 28xl, shuttle shift with FEL. Much smaller than any of the above but just as powerful and capable (on paper anyway), the Yanmars will probably outlast it though.

 

[clemsonfor]

Welcome.


I think we have discussed this or a similar weight issue. I think some of those numbers are proven screwy. Some are dry weights and you see a wide range of weights even depending on site for the YM2000, which i have. Its just a tractor sure you can ballest it in many ways but were all talking operational weight no ballest...how can you see numbers that range 200-300#s??

I think Kenmac with his 3110 and some other similar tractor had a weight difference (member i was talking about is the first of my post). I think a similar frame tractor weighed way less than his tractor or something and they decided it was not real.????

I would say get the larger one if you can justify the extra $$$. there all pretty similar and more power is good.

I dont think you will see enough difference in the 2210 and 2310 to worry about.

 

[284 International]

I think the 2210D and 2310D will be very similar for you. I wouldn't worry about the difference in torque between the 2 vs 3 cylinder models. With the Powershift transmission you can just select a lower gear on the move, and the difference between the two motors won't make any difference. Recognize that Yanmar replaced long-selling 2 cylinder motors with their 3 cylinder versions, so they had to be of equal capability or better. A similar comparison might be the LS series Chevrolet small block V-8s replacing the 40 year old small block: It has the same job to do, and is replacing a long-respected motor. I like the two cylinder engines myself, but there is no reason to get hung up on 2 vs 3 cylinders as a selling point by itself, in my view.

There is no advantage to running the engine at lower RPM with a higher PTO speed unless you are only operating a very lightly loaded attachment. For tilling or mowing (I don't know anything about snow blowing or using a water pump on one, but I'm sure they are similar) you want to be at the rated RPM for the engine to prevent lugging and bearing wear. It won't hurt these motors to run at their rated RPM. It is actually better for them.

I think you should make a list of what you would like to get out of your tractor, in terms of specific tasks you see it doing, other issues (Do you want to loan it out? To NOT loan it out? Any other operators besides yourself, your mechanical aptitude/interest, foreseen time owning the machine etc) and then reassess. If you are trying to do disking, rough field mowing, plowing, etc, and have the space, PTO horsepower, bigger tires and heavier weight matter more than other factors. Doing work on manicured landscape will get better results from a fancy mower than any tractor.

What models of tractor have you borrowed, how did they perform for you, and will your jobs be similar in the future?

Good luck, and welcome to the forum. I hope you find what you're looking for!

 

[careyo63]

Be careful. The weight you posted Matches my list. I was looking at your list and just happen to look at the Ym2000 specs. and there wrong. Big time. There is no Eng. HP. difference in the 2000,D,Or BD.

 

[Scotty Dive]

In the notes that I have the 2420 D weighs in at 2215 pounds. you also asked what the difference was with the 10 and the 20 series and that just indicates powershift whether it's on the floor are on the column. My 2020 D has the power shift on the column.

 

[California]

Those three are close enough in capability that I think it comes down to spend a little more for a later model and get more advanced features. Or save some money on a quite satisfactory model. (2210D).

I like powershift next to the steering wheel and feel it is worth paying more for. This really is a convenience and a productivity improver. And power steering if available is a huge improvement, worth the considerable price jump. Particularly if you are going to mow, rototill etc in tight spaces these both are important features.

As for engines - my two-cylinder YM240 (nearly a twin to the 2210) seems more tiring after several hours on it due to the intense clank of its primitive 2-cylinder, high torque engine. Hearing protection is essential, but I still feel a bone-shaking thump with each firing that isn't present on my smaller 3-cylinder YM186D. For shorter operating runs, this probably doesn't make any difference.

Me personally, I choose to live reasonably simple and just buy what I need to get my specific tasks done. The 2210D should be sufficient. But I also understand paying more to buy comfort and simply pride of ownership. Maybe the Mahindra at higher cost, possibly some trips back to the dealer before it is flawless like you intended, and a forecast of earlier replacement, would be worth it to you just for its comfort and features. That alternative has certainly crossed my mind but its not worth an additional $10~15k to me compared to what I use now. Your choice!

 

[danno676]

All very good points, thank you everyone!!

I figured this would come down to "just pick one", I just wish there were some Yanmars around me that I could try out.
The 2 Kubotas that I borrowed were both very basic older machines. I really have no use for cup holders and other such fancy crap..just stuff that can break. One of them was a very small, SCUT, 2wd with rear scraper blade and turf tires. I quickly realized it's limitations and borrowed another Kubota L2350DT(4WD) with FEL and ag tires. It did great, plenty of power, hydraulics were a bit weak though. The L2350's specs are pretty close to Yanmar's 2010 (tractordata has them rated at 20.5hp pto) so in reality any of the ones I am looking at will definitely do what I want and then some. Suppose the 2 cylinder would be much noisier, I have a 2 cyl Yanmar in a sailboat and it is very clacky. The 2310 would be a step up from the borrowed Kubota.

My only intentions for use are bush hogging a few acres once a month or so, driveway maintenance, post hole auger and other light tasks like moving a 3500lb camper after use that I have been using a Wheel Horse to move (that's an interesting task).

If I went for the 2420D I would be about 13k delivered, a full 2200 less than the Mahindra (after VA sales tax).
The Mahindra dealer has a 2013 demo with 13(ish) hours on it at a good deal. I figure that it should have the bugs worked out by now and the 5 year warranty would not start until it's purchase date. However, I am quite sure that overall quality of the Yanmar is much higher, as the resale value (and ease) further down the road.

Scotty Dive, awesome info with the weight, that seems to be much more in line with the rest of them. Fredericks told me that the only difference between the 10's and 20's was the location of the shifter, then I saw the weight and wondered.

This is a great forum

 

[normde2001]

You are aware that the Yanmar is about 30 years old, are you not?

 

[clemsonfor]

If the yanmar is only $2200 less than a new manihandra with a 5 year warrenty that would give me something to think about. But still thats $2200 saved and that is a lot of repairs and my bet is that in 5 years you would not do anything to the yanmar so that part about not having a warrenty would be null.

The manihandra will decreas in value but my guess in that in 5-8 years the value would be similar. Manihandra makes a good machine. If the 2310 is that size you need i am not sure id go bigger.

 

[Gunny]

Have you checked with Fredricks? Looks to me that they sell their 2420D for $7599.

Unless the other one you're looking at includes a lot of implements, I'd take a road trip to Hartselle AL!

Plus with Fredricks, you get a warranty and a great bunch of people to deal with.

 

[careyo63]

On their WP. they are advertising a 2610 for 6.999.00$ out the door. 8.299.00 4wd. Seen it the other day and caught my eye. IMO, that's a deal!!!

 

[danno676]

Yes I know they are 30+ years in age, why do you ask?

clemsonfor I agree with the value and other points you made. There's something that's nice about having something new...then there is something even nicer about having something old.. The Yanmars definitely haveI the 'cool' factor that a lot of other tractors do not.

The 2310 is probably more than I need and the 2420 is the same size just more power, 2610...oh I would love that but it is way to big for what need.

Gunny/carey63 Fredericks is the only place I have been looking to purchase after reading on this forum. The prices that I am using are with FEL and figuring in freight delivered. I have a truck and trailer plenty capable but delivery is pretty close to fuel. You are right, a trip down would be worth it and a good family trip too.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

All of the 2 cyl diesels I've owned or used, vibrated much more than the 3 cyl engines, and that get's old!

All of the 3 cyl diesels started much easier in cold weather than the 2 cyl diesels too!

Personally, I'd pick the 3 cyl for sure!

SR

 

[danno676]

That is definitely the way I am leaning, cold start is a big factor as my wife would use it in my absence. She might enjoy the other features of the 2cyl though

 

[kenmac]

I don't know if I would like a 2 cyl or not..To hear the guys that have them talk about the noise. I'll stick with my 3 cyl.

Keep in mind.. The yanmar being 30+ yrs old, lack some parts supply.

The Mahindra should have an abundant parts supply for yrs. For this reason alone, I pick Mahindra... Fredricks is also the largest Mahindra dealer in North Alabama.

 

[danno676]

Oh I am all for a 3 cylinder, I was making a joke towards my wife about "the vibrations" the 2 cyls.

I have a Manindra dealer within 60 miles of my house that, when I return from work, I will be visiting. The Mahindras have some pretty impressive numbers, excellent hydraulic ratings, excellent build and a lot of weight. The Max 28 xl shuttle I am interested in has a Mitsubishi engine that is used in a lot of other industrial applications, separate power steering pump (I believe it piggy backs off the main hydro system), mid and rear pto etc. Nice set up but still a few $K more and much smaller in stature than the Yanmar. In all they are very different tractors that will come down to preference more than money spent. I believe the small size of the Mahindra will come in handy for the smaller, confined jobs.

 

[kenmac]

Is the weight of the yanmar and Mahindra similar ? You said $2200 difference in price for the Mahindra ? If you have the xtra.. I would buy the Mahindra due to parts supply...

If you save 2200 ,something breaks and you can't get the part. What good is the savings ??

Just for the heck of it, I would get a price for the max from fredricks.. He may be able to beat the price you got on the Max.Doesn't cost to get a price.

Good luck which ever route you take !