quick-couplers - when are iso-5675 compatible with iso-7241-1 (A?)

[orangetree]

Trying to identify the fittings on my tractor vs what came with an implement. I have two that seem extremely similar except the fluid-lock (ball, "poppet"). Some sites such as Incompatible Hydraulic Couplers: ISO 5675 (Ball, AG type) vs. ISO 7241-1 report some issues in cross-compatibility. But they are REALLY similar, and plenty of users seem to mate the two.

Are iso5675 compatible with iso7241? IFF this is true, it would seem to only be true for the 1/2" body size? Does the presence of a ball (vs poppet) mean anything?

I don't mind buying new fittings to be sure, just want it to be correct. If I'm changing fittings on the rear remotes or 3rd function, is there a "most common" for CUT's in the US?

Here are my fittings:

1/2" Ag / 5675?

1/2" 7241-1 A?

3/8 7241-1 B ?

 

[orangetree]

Here's info from the link in my OP about 5675 & 7241 not working robustly together, and summit-hydraulics, showing the parts. Notably, Summit does NOT show a ball for the iso5675? Is this correct?

 

[npalen]

I can't answer your questions but do have a suggestion: Hold the calipers at ninety degrees to what your pics show when taking a measurement. That will give a more accurate measurement especially if you rock the caliper jaws slightly side to side while watching the dial to make sure of a correct measurement.

One thing noticeably different between 7241-1 A and B series is the length of the land that you are measuring in the pics.

Regarding the ball verses poppet style, I tend to agree that it doesn't make any difference but do wonder why some are made each way.

 

[WranglerX]

I can't answer your questions but do have a suggestion: Hold the calipers at ninety degrees to what your pics show when taking a measurement. That will give a more accurate measurement especially if you rock the caliper jaws slightly side to side while watching the dial to make sure of a correct measurement.

One thing noticeably different between 7241-1 A and B series is the length of the land that you are measuring in the pics.

Regarding the ball verses poppet style, I tend to agree that it doesn't make any difference but do wonder why some are made each way.

YES!..... Calipers are no totally accurate when used like in previous pictures....
IF the coupler are purported to be the same size it may be all about how well the locking ring balls hold components and how well "O" rings seal....

 

[orangetree]

yes, yes. I'm aware how to use calipers - what I couldn't do is take a picture from two angles. And the thread is picture-long enough as it is.

 

[orangetree]

still struggling to get a clear answer here, but one EverythingAttachements rep said:

• he believes that the connector they shipped (that's the grapple in the pic(s)) is the AG style, which would be ISO-5675
• he thought that the one half inch size (specifically/solely) in ISO-5675 and ISO-7241-1 A were ~fully interchangeable

They do sure look similar, so I'm inclinded to believe this. Or disinclined to believe that the standards org would make it so confusing if they were not (hmmm... misplaced?)

 

[npalen]

yes, yes. I'm aware how to use calipers - what I couldn't do is take a picture from two angles. And the thread is picture-long enough as it is.
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Okay. We forgive you!

 

[orangetree]

if no one has experience with how compatible these are; is there a "standard" type stateside for tractors & implements?

 

[ponytug]

I've been through this as my tractor has the non-ISO Faster NV series poppets. Normally balls and poppets are different standards, but yes, the Faster NV series poppets are supposed to interchange with the ISO 5675 series by size for the 1/2" size ONLY, but I do not know how well the fluid flow works ball to poppet, as the designs are designed for ball to ball and poppet to poppet.

In addition to diameter, you want to pay close attention to distance to the locking lip on the male fitting, and the profile of the lip. There are two slightly different versions.

If it were me, I would get a ball version to match what you have.

You could chat with Blake at Discount hydraulic hose, if you want a professional opinion.

All the best,

Peter

 

[orangetree]

I've been through this as my tractor has the non-ISO Faster NV series poppets. Normally balls and poppets are different standards, but yes, the Faster NV series poppets are supposed to interchange with the ISO 5675 series by size for the 1/2" size ONLY, but I do not know how well the fluid flow works ball to poppet, as the designs are designed for ball to ball and poppet to poppet.

In addition to diameter, you want to pay close attention to distance to the locking lip on the male fitting, and the profile of the lip. There are two slightly different versions.

If it were me, I would get a ball version to match what you have.

All the best,

Peter

a few sources, including the Summit spec sheet, seem to indicate that it's not always a ball ... does this track your experience, or should all AG/5675 connectors use a ball?

 

[ponytug]

Don't quote me on this, but I have a vague memory that the ISO5675 couplers were originally from/called Pioneer, and originally with balls, and poppets were introduced later. Parker lists both as an option for ISO5675

https://ph.parker.com/us/en/quick-couplings-hydraulic-up-to-3000-psi-iso-5675,

In an older thread, @CJONE says that he has used ball to poppet often. (Hydraulic quick couplings poppet or ball type)

I believe that the poppet versions have a lower pressure drop for a given flow if that matters to you.

All the best,

Peter

 

[ponytug]

My Faster NV series are all poppets. (ISO and not ISO versions)

All the best,

Peter

 

[kennyd]

5765 and 7241 are NEVER "interchangeable". That is BS. 7241 A and B are not either, they have different dimensions.

The ball or poppet is does not make it one or the other...a 5675 can have either. Do NOT focus on the ball/poppet when looking at the Summit chart (or any others).

I've not seen a ball on the 7241 series, but they may exist somewhere.

 

[CJONE]

There is no "standard" when it comes to couplers as Kenny said. Most of the time the ISO A series or 5675 are used and like he said they can have either ball or poppet. When I have a customer come in saying they are just the "standard" coupler I just take them to our "standard" row of shelves that have all different couplers! In each size we have 3 different ISO couplers that are different and will not couple up because of size difference in the connection. Then you have flat face and so on. CJ

 

[LouNY]

still struggling to get a clear answer here, but one EverythingAttachements rep said:

• he believes that the connector they shipped (that's the grapple in the pic(s)) is the AG style, which would be ISO-5675
• he thought that the one half inch size (specifically/solely) in ISO-5675 and ISO-7241-1 A were ~fully interchangeable

They do sure look similar, so I'm inclinded to believe this. Or disinclined to believe that the standards org would make it so confusing if they were not (hmmm... misplaced?)

I believe that you are correct.
I normally purchase the Parker units, I have found them with 3 different centers,
the ball style,
the poppet style,
and the poppet style with an additional needle valve pin in the end.
The advertising for the different ends over the years have mentioned easier connecting with residual pressure in a system.
I have found the poppet style easier to connect usually and the poppet with the little valve, maybe a tiny bit easier.

 

[LD1]

I would never try to interchange couplers.

There are no "standard" coupler.

Most loaders I have been around use a 3/8 7241-b. I personally used 1/4" 7241b for my front attachments. Rear of tractors are most commonly 5675 1/2" couplers.

Just because somewhere, sometime, someone, of some different brand, got two to mix-match....doesnt make it factual across the board.

 

[LouNY]

All of my quick couplings are 1/2" and I have adapters for flat face to 1/2" Pioneer Ag.

 

[kennyd]

All of my quick couplings are 1/2" and I have adapters for flat face to 1/2" Pioneer Ag.

Just saying "Pioneer" is not always helpful, it's just a brand name like Kleenex or Zerox is, so it often gets used for different style couplers.

 

[LouNY]

All of my quick couplings are 1/2" and I have adapters for flat face to 1/2" Pioneer Ag.

Just saying "Pioneer" is not always helpful, it's just a brand name like Kleenex or Zerox is, so it often gets used for different style couplers.

OK, a bit more info, and I do stay with the name brand most of the time on these;

Pioneer Universal Agricultural Male Tip (1/2”), ISO 5675, Ball / Poppet / Connect Under Pressure - 8010 Series Nipples​

https://ph.parker.com/us/en/quick-couplings-hydraulic-up-to-3000-psi-iso-5675

and most of mine are 8010-4P-DC;
https://ph.parker.com/us/en/quick-couplings-hydraulic-up-to-3000-psi-iso-5675/8010-4p-dc

 

[orangetree]

what I'm taking from this is the same as I came in with 1/2" will probably most likely work, but it may (will?) not be optimal.

Ok, so having a small tractor I don't want to loose any more pressure drop than I need - there aren't that many fittings should I replace some.

what fitting flows the best (lowest pressure drop)? (particularly in 1/2" size, but I'd imagine difference sizes stack up similarly?)