R4 tire popped off the rim

[SPYDERLK]

Thanks for all the help. If the tractor were at my home, no big deal, as I have a large compressor and air tools. At the cabin property there is only a small compressor and very little tools. I may to try the strap method, but I will bring tools to remove the rim so it can go to the tire shop.

You probably have all you need if you were to do it quickly while the tire still had some memory of spread beads. Quickly removing weight from the wheel and cleaning the bead area is a must. Apply the soap solution. Then remove the valve core and use a rubber tipped blo gun on the open valve. If it doesnt pick up instantly, stop and strap it. Unless the bead wires have been bent this will work - even with a small compressor [if it has a storage tank?]. Hopefully the tire has been sitting w/o weight on it. I think you still might have a good chance.
Good Luck!
larry

 

[dynasim]

Bring an air bubble. The initial kick can be had by maxing the pressure in the bubble, which can be refilled with the slow compressor. It only takes a couple of psi in the tire to begin the seating process.

Chris

 

[beersngars]

Bring an air bubble. The initial kick can be had by maxing the pressure in the bubble, which can be refilled with the slow compressor. It only takes a couple of psi in the tire to begin the seating process.

Chris

Air bubble? Sorry, but I don't know what that is.

 

[hydrovane218]

I think the AIR BUBBLE Dynasim is refering to is also known as an "air pig". It is just a portable air receiver that can be had at any autoparts places, usually they are about 10 gallons.
He is talking about using the same method as mentioned earlier by dumping all that 10 gallons of at say 100-125 psi to quickly jar the bead on the seating area of the rim. I have done alot of work for transport truck tire guys on their air compressors and they all have these AIR PIGS with a 1 1/2" ball valve on them with the knife type of mouth after the valve. They put the knife up to the tire and by very quickly opening it, it immediately seats the tire by unloading all that volume of air into it.
I haven't had the pleasure of seating a tubeless tire on a tractor yet. I had a small travel trailer tire off the rim that sat over the winter like that and I had no luck with it. I took it to one of my tire guys and he used the above method(at the side of the road where I met up with him) and had it sorted out in seconds. If this strap method works, great. Otherwise, I think it might be less aggrevation to take the tire off and bring it in.

 

[Richard]

I once had a tire replaced. I watched them install it.

They had a small (20 pound?) "propane" tank that had the propane removed. They had some kind of ball valve on there so they could QUICKLY open it and blow out the air that they had pumped into it.

They also had some kind of wide opening flair that is what they used to set near the tire/bead and direct the blast of air from the tank, into the tire and this shock of air into the tire is what set the bead.

I set our tractor tire just couple months ago and darn thing took me several hours of persistant attempts.

Removing the air stem core was a big help. Strap around the tire was mandantory. Liquid dish detergent was at minimum, a big help (mandatory??)

The ratchet I used ended up being a bit of a pain because the ratched parts themselves were long enough that they were now following the contour of the tires shape. Kind of made for a flat spot where the ratchet was. That was one of the reasons I had to keep at it.

I finally persevered but it was not without several choice comments made at the tire during the process

 

[GIJOE]

Bead Seating Tank, Air Pig, Air Bubble.... There are numerous names for it, but this is what one looks like. They can be had in different size tanks also.

TSI Cheetah Bead Seating Tool 6 Gallon Capacity, Model# CH-5 | Tire Equipment | Northern Tool + Equipment

Joe

 

[Racer71]

Why did it come off of the bead? This is not normal. Having the tire replaced a month before makes me think there is another problem.

Who ever just installed the new tire should have some responsability for it holding air and should take care of it.

Beading tires is dangerous. It can kill. If the tire were to explode due to over pressure it will take out the building it's in and those inside. If that strap were to snap it can take off an arm or something.

The idea is to get the tire onto the bead enough to hold air. This is not the same seating the bead. Once it will hold air remove the strap and your little compressor will finish the job.

Just be careful.

 

[donais]

when i worked in a shop that did tires we had a cool tool. it was an a ring made of sheet aluminum with dense black foam,about 1/8 in thick and the same size as the rim. soap it up good put it over the rim and press it while giving it air. worked every time and we had one for each rim size..jon

 

[travis potter]

I use a rope rather than a strap tie it tight then use a pipe or rod to twist the rope this will tighten the rope with out the long flat spot the rachet makes. the tractor must be jacked up and the valve removed. I use the plasttic tie raps on small tires just tighten 1 or 2 long ones, what ever it takes and air the tire up. The strap will break before you get too much air in the tire. I have 80 some odd tires on all of my stuff and use this method all the time. it faster to just change a bad tire at home rather than take it into town to the tire shop. Use the fel bucket to break the bead then tire irons or big screw drivers to remave the tire. use soap or grease on the bead to install the new tire.

 

[elkun1]

Guess it depends on how remote you are and how soon you need the tractor. Cold temps makes the rubber pretty darn hard to use a strap successfully and about the only other thing we've had luck with in the winter is tire soap, but i bet you don't have a pail of that handy. Safest bet is to take the tire into the tire shop, but thats kind of boring and lots of work. However, as i get older that's probably what i'd do unless i needed the tractor right away.
Most every tire I've had done in the winter (fertilizer trucks, 66x43x25) has ended up with ether in it. problem is this new either just doesn't have the required poop in it anymore, napa brand didn't work, case ih did. haven't done it for a couple of years so by now who no's what brand will work, some hairspays also have some bang in them. when the tire goes boom you need to put the air to it instantly. not for the feint of heart and the neighbors will give you strange looks. be careful and keep your fingers out of the tire. Video tape it, you might have a youtube hit. Happy New Years and let us know what ya did, Ron