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Beer does not come in Al Cans!
Ram1500 EcoDiesel V6 revealed!
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Fordman1981
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That's just the wrong way of thinking. The new half tons are too light to be handling the weight they are claiming. And now ford is making them even lighter you have to use common sense anything over 10,000 lbs on a trailer and you need a 3/4 or 1 ton. I have used the ecoboost yes it has power but that's not the end all be all of towing. If you make a half ton capable if towing more than 10,000 lbs safely then it's not really a half ton any more. The current 150 I don't feel is safe towing more than 10,000 lbs on a regular basis and the newer lighter one defiantly won't be. If you are pushing your truck to and beyond what should be safe limits for a half ton and something unexpected happens them what? The half tons above 10,000 lbs towing won't be able to handle an emergency situation near as well as a true HD truck no matter what you say.
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Well coming from a guy who tows about 10,000 miles a year since 1996 I have to disagree. I have owned 2 dually's, 1 gas 3/4 ton, 1 diesel 3/4 tons, 3 diesel 1 tons, and a 7 1/2 tons. I feel comfortable in what they are rated and then some. And the new stuff with built in brake controllers, trailer sway control, anti lock 4 wheel disc brakes, and traction control is night and day better than the stuff built as recent as 2005 and earlier.
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Fordman1981
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Tired of hearing you tow 10,000 miles year I quite often tow more than that per year. I'm not going to list all the trucks I've hD and get into a pissing match with you. If you tow more than 10,000 lbs with a half ton and you get into an emergency situation you are asking for trouble. Also quit saying the new trucks aren't the old ones I know that. Not a single vehicle I have is older than 2009. I know what the new half tons can handle and my opinion over 10,000 lbs on one is asking for trouble. But I know what you're going to come back with a new ecoboost F150 can pull 30,000 lbs and not even have to be running to do so it's so capable.
jejeosborne
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My opinion on these tow ratings is that I am happy that the manufacturers have agreed to adopt a standard in determining the ratings. I look at tow ratings (and payload) as just a limit that protects me from liability if I am involved in an accident. Even though I can legally tow 11,300 lbs, I wouldn't unless it was a short trip at low speeds in those once every couple years instances. I wouldn't be hauling an 11,300 lb trailer down the interstate with my family. Everyone has their own comfort level while towing. Some people should never tow anything....ever. On the flip side, many of us have basic understanding of physics, experience, reflexes, etc which allows for better control of the situation.
Back to Payload, I wonder what would happen if this 490 lb payload capacity truck is involved in an accident in which someone is injured or killed with and being over the payload limit with only passengers. Would the owner/driver be liable to a lawsuite just because they had 4 people in the cab totaling more than the payload?
Back to Payload, I wonder what would happen if this 490 lb payload capacity truck is involved in an accident in which someone is injured or killed with and being over the payload limit with only passengers. Would the owner/driver be liable to a lawsuite just because they had 4 people in the cab totaling more than the payload?
Fordman1981
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Yeah that is a very interesting point and why I say I think ram will up these ratings in the next few years. It would be very easy for a lawyer to argue that why did ram make a quad cab truck that only two to three people can ride in and place blame in ram.
Fordman1981
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One thing we have to keep in mind though if those numbers are right that's only in the diesel ram limited Laramie. The rest of the line up will have better payload. Granted not what they should have but the 490 lbs. is absolute worse case.
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Well, we each have our opinions. If you don't feel comfortable don't do it. And you know what they say about opinions.....
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Fordman1981
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It's not that I don't feel comfortable. It's you don't need to push equipment to its limits all the time. The point I'm trying to make is if you are going to tow more than 10,000 lbs more than a few times a year short distance don't do it with a maxed out half ton. Have some safety margin. It's not all about you. You need to make sure you aren't endangering other people on the road to stroke your my half ton is the baddest in the land ego.
jejeosborne
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It is my understanding that the same truck with the Hemi would have even less Payload. I thought the Diesel option had a higher GVWR than the Hemi but weighs 50 lbs more. May be wrong on this though.
