Ranch Hand

   / Ranch Hand #21  
Kenmac, I have stopped by his dealership while out delivering tractors. The engine is not Yanmar, the drive train is not Korean and there is nothing on it made in Italy. It is Chinese end to end including tires. The guy is just full of crap but is trying to sell in a very rural old school area of Washington State.

This is the thing though; he does sell tractors because his BS is what people want to hear.

Buck

P.S. Nice to know that since I am a VFW I can say anything I like as long as it helps me sell tractors. All that stupid truth getting in the way and all.
 
   / Ranch Hand #22  
Buck, Did I mention that he says his tractors are truly unique ? Their 45 hp tractors weight a ton more than a 48 hp J.D. ? Did I mention that they have had a waiting list for their tractors for 3 yrs now ?? Did I mention that to purchase one of their tractors that you must make a down payment & wait for the tractor to be built ?? '' Everytime we sell a tractor we make a friend''
He said in the e- mail that ;;WE build the tractors using U.S. labor to change out shafts, bearings , etc, .............If they build the tractors . Why do they need to change out any parts ?? ''they aren't fotons which no longer exist"

'' we all need to pull together & help support one another in our efforts to put the U.S.A. back to work ''
 
   / Ranch Hand #23  
When I get a chance I'm gioing to pay this gentleman a visit.............with my camcorder and a witness or two. I hate this kind of crap!!
 
   / Ranch Hand #24  
Good deal Bob,tell him you want to tour his shop and see some of this work first hand

Tommy
Affordable Tractor Sales
 
   / Ranch Hand #25  
Well he probably dosn't actually do the work here...you see... he pays his employees to comute to China,,, yeah, that's it.... and install all the american components and labor there... Yeah... thats the ticket!.....

Unbelieveable! no wonder so many people trust tractor salesmen so strongly!

The sad part is that people actually believe his fantasy. Not everyone is on Al's Web yet I guess....
 
   / Ranch Hand #26  
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Strait outta China....

KB
 
   / Ranch Hand #27  
I was at the TSC in Winchester VA over the weekend and there was a Minot tractor out front with an, assembled in the USA, sticker on it.

That seems a bit more above board than what this other guy is doing.


"Not everyone is on Al's Web yet I guess...."

Al's web?
 
   / Ranch Hand #29  
I wondered if anyone would catch what I meant by "Al's Web". Greg got it!
 
   / Ranch Hand #30  
while I been reading the post I have (up until now stayed out of the mix)

I'm disabled vet too only 40% for now but soon MAY be more as I'm going in to try & get them to FIX my 2 blown out disks in my back this fall. (HATE working with VA for my medical needs but can't afford the doc prices with what my insurance would probably say is ELECTIVE surgery) BUT I wouldn't try & make a note of it in any business dealings...

I was reading the web site this gent has up and noticed that he only mentions the COST or two tractor types with a bunch of add ons and that on those MENTIONED/LISTED tractors all optioned up that the $ percents are that 65/70% was going to USA and mentions "American Parts" (aka loader/backhoes ect) "American shipping" (aka shipping costs that more than likely included shipping from china as well as state side shipping costs for loaders grapples backhoes ect) and "American Labor," (his costs putting the china tractor together adding the FEL Hoe misc installed cleaning painting touch up ect.)

SO if "ON PAPER" he sells his tractor at or near it's china cost but charges a ton for all the options then he could easily put those references on his web site and CLAIM to have 65~70% of the tractors cost coming from state side costs...

GRANTED that it is a " ADVERTISING PLOY" but he probably is well within his rights to do so but when ya start saying things like that it does tend to make them seem not so up and up. I don't know for a fact that this guy IS doing tis this way but it could be easy to manipulate numbers to make it LOOK as if the costs were broken down that way...

oh I don't know them or have ever bought form them... ;)

mark M
 
   / Ranch Hand #31  
I have recieved a rather lengthly response by email from RHT ( I suspect others have too) and in it he makes some valid points. I don't know why His responses were not posted here and I won't quote them, because if he wanted it here, he would have put it here. But he did get me thinking a little.

I will say that it is at least plausable that he is doing more than the re-assembly after crating that is normal with Chinese tractors. LOVOL, formerly FOTON, formerly Futian, uses outsourced components (to the best of my knowledge). I even have brochures from other companies, that seem to have tapped these same suppliers and build a "foton" look alike tractor. It is possible (and perhaps even a good idea), for someone to import these component parts and do the complete manufacting assembly process here in the states. I am not saying that Ranch Hand Tractors is or is not doing this as I don't know. If they are, then I admire the effort.
 
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   / Ranch Hand #32  
I got it as well.

Does look like he would have posted it here ???

Maybe he will??

Ronald
Ranch Hand Supply
 
   / Ranch Hand #33  
Well if he's changing shafts, bearings,drive ect.Here in the USA he must be doing it at his location.If someone lives or drives thru the area they should stop by and see the process.Heck I use Koyker loaders, USA shipping trucks and USA freight forwarders,but that does not mean my tractors are made in the USA.
If there is a waiting list ,what are the tractors in the Pic's,and the sign "New Shipment Just Arrived ",I too think if he is doing all this work at his location and providing American jobs thats great.

Tommy
Affordable Tractor Sales
 
   / Ranch Hand #34  
The now defunct McConnelmark used to do extensive assembly. They carried one old Jinma model a few others from another chinese line. While I never toured their facilility, I know of others that did. It is hard to compete against pure crate assemblers, when to the consumer, they look the same. I don't know any McConnelmark owners to say if they were any better or not. Back a few years ago, it was common to see such claims on many a website. Most were BS.
 
   / Ranch Hand #35  
Yes, it would be difficult to compete with the low labor costs in China. As it is, it's only the freight savings that makes the reassembly from crate economically feasable. I can see that early on, it made sense for a company like McConnel Marc to essentially recondition brand new tractors. When they set up to do this, the Chinese quality was much lower, making such a program necessary, but prices in china were also much lower than they are now. Less competition here in the states meant higher real retail prices. There was plenty of room for direct American labor and componentry. Fortunately the quality of most Chinese factories has improved significantly over the last few years, but as that has happened, the gap in pricing is closing. We now pay between $200 to $500 extra on each tractor, just for EPA certification, which is justified because the of the ongoing recordkeeping and warranty requirements of emissions control systems. The cost of a tractor in China has jumped about 30% over the last 5 years and retail prices have been remained farily flat. Major brands have introduced some low priced competitors, that in many cases may not be any better than the chinese product, but bear the established brand name. This business is not easy!

It might be possible for a US company to buy the compents from their respective manufacturers in China and truely build a tractor in the USA, but I would sure change enough sheetmetal and fiberglass so it looked unique and even then, unless it was done under an established old line name, I think the chances of success would be slim.

I will say that knowing what I know, I personally have a hard time believing the advertising claims of this particular company, but his customers have easy access to see for themselves the level of assembly performed, the actual parts substituted, etc They are in a better position than most of us are to evaluate his claims. Every dealer who spends a day or two going over a crated tractor probably has more Labor dollars in the product than the plant in China does... Just a thought.
 

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