removing 4320 Deer from pond

[Robert_in_NY]

I love the education I get here. I never considered the gear issue when pulling in reverse. I have always liked pulling things in reverse with my truck using my tow hooks because I have a better line of sight. I will now reconsider my tugging ways. With FWD, I have never found traction to be an issue pulling either direction.

If what your pulling in Reverse is light enough you wouldn't notice any issue with a 4wd truck. However, if it is stuck good or heavy you will not be happy pulling in reverse and when you turn the truck around you will be amazed at how easily the truck pulled it out. By pulling from the back it transfers a lot of weight to the back wheels making them more useful while still having the front wheels working with the weight of the engine and front end over it. Pulling in reverse lifts the weight off the rear wheels and puts it on the front effectively making your truck a front wheel drive truck as the back tires don't have much weight over them to help gain traction.

Tractors are similar but also have tires designed for pulling forward and they don't work as well pulling in reverse (this is why some combines with RWA have the rear wheels mounted "backwards", if they get into trouble the RWA pulls the correct way to back out of the trouble spot)

I pull from both directions all the time depending on what I need to pull and where I am pulling.

 

[Ryan03]

I have pulled things in reverse with my 2500 chevy, and once with my wifes trailblazer, both times the vehicles that I was pulling out were not stuck that bad, and I pulled from the front due to positioning convenience {lazyness}. One time was just 4 days ago when my father in law was plowing his drive with his S-10 plow truck, he was making a pass across the apron, and got the plow frame hung up in some hardpack, and was unable to back up due to the fact that he was sitting on a solid sheet of ice, I carefuly pulled him using the front of my 2500 dmax 4x4, I barely broke an idle in 4 LO, and never slipped a tire, I expect most any heavy 3/4 ton 4x4 would snatch out an S-10 mildly stuck with relative ease. The other time was when we were building our house, and I got the old Ford 600 stuck, and that time it was the Trailblazer to the rescue, same scenario, easy pull. If I would have had to yank on either one, I certainly would have turned the truck around and pulled from the receiver hitch on the back, as I usualy do anyway. I would never pull from the front in the situations shown in the vids, not because I was worried about gear damage, I would be more concerned about tweaking the frame horn at the crush zone in front of the wheel, as most are engineered to bend down and off to the side at that location, while going up near the firewall, therby pointing the engine at the ground in the event of a frontal crash, This is true of most any modern pickup. That chain angle in the first vid looked pretty severe, and one good tug by the second truck on the first one could easily damage the front frame section on the Dodge, If there was a jolt on the dodge when the chain hooked to the deer was tight. The second reason is that I would not want the chain or hook on the chain to fly off and come through the open drivers window and hit me up side my head, or the windsheild for that matter. The odds of chain inflicted injury are greatly reduced most of the time [ to the tow vehicle driver] in my opinion when pulling from the rear.

 

[radioman]

another thing to consider why you should pull from rear and not the front - some trucks have locking diff in the back only and when pulling in the front you lift the back making the locking diff worthless.

 

[Iplayfarmer]

I dont think reverse is a lower gear than 1st.

I know that some of the manual transmissions have a granny gear that is lower than reverse, but I think in many of the half tons with automatic transmissions reverse is lower. Someone out there knows the actual gear ratios. Hopefully we'll get a definative answer.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I am curious about the statement...have you read that somewhere so I can look it up? (ring-pinion part)

I always pull heavy loads in reverse. Look at your gear ratios, its the lowest in reverse on most rigs. My truck is about a 3.00 to 1 in first and a 3.50 to 1 in reverse. Granted not much difference but it is 15% better. If they wanted you to pull from the rear they would put the tow rings there.

Also if he had R1's he would not have gone in the drink. LOL Just had to throw that in so we can turn it into a R1 vs R4 fight also!!!!

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

It took a Chevy to get the job done.... I second the vote to turn the Dodge around. The side view pull angle would put a large downforce on the drive axle (Although these Rembrandts might have succeeded in putting the Dodge in the drink, too)....

It took a Dodge and a Chevy to get the job done because these brain surgeons did not have a FORD handy. But hey, if they put both trucks in the drink I could have brought one of my Fords over to get all three out.

That ought to get a few of ya's panties in a bunch!!!! LOL

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

Good thing they saw it go in. They might have thought it was stolen.
Since it was shut off, I would think you could have that back in service in under a day. Most of the time being spent buying fluids and filters.

I had seen this before and was told what happened was the guy had a new tractor and his wife wanted him to scoop up some water to put on her plants and all went wrong from that point on. If you watch the video and listen carefully you will hear them talk about getting water for the plants.

Chris

 

[AchingBack]

What compels people to want to mow every blade of grass on their property?

 

[Iplayfarmer]

What compels people to want to mow every blade of grass on their property?

The neighboor's yard.

 

[tallyho8]

If they wanted you to pull from the rear they would put the tow rings there.
Chris

The tow rings aren't there for you to tow with. They are there to tow you out with!