Rethinking Kioti products

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OMG...please guys how can anyone read way to much into this,i came on to see if anyone had a simular issue with this brand tractor not to bash them as for the hours as i said this is second Kioti tractor when i bought the newer one a offer was made on my property so i sold it thats why only 17hr on meter.no im not looking for Kioti to fix anything i just wanted some feedback because someone said they had some defective cruse modules but Kioti service is not what it should be. im not throwing parts at it to try and fix it nor did a rat chew the wires or sitting caused the issues and one comment is "dash lights are not that big a deal" if your car or truck had no light would it be a big deal? am i upset with the brand NO do i wish they had better support YES do i want something for free or them to fix it free NO and after 4 hours this weekend chasing wire after wire i found a wire that somehow was "pinched" when the unite was assembled at Kioti and had became worse when it was running...again a Kioti issue..must have been built on friday who knows. i don't care what brand you have if it's green orange pink or purple advise should be available to anyone for anything in my business i'm available 24/7 for my customers and it pays off everyday for me
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #82  
Well, I'll agree with the others that said the title if your post is pretty combative if you actually "came on to see if anyone had a simular issue with this brand tractor".

Perhaps next time something like "lights won't work on Kioti dash, any ideas?" Wouldn't catch you so much flack. I'm glad you were able to find the problem.
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #83  
The reason this post is nine pages is because you posted a title that instantly put everyone here in defense mode. Then you made some long rambling and off topic, rushed posts with incomplete information for what was a really minor issue.

If you had posted a title like "dash lights don't work," and then stated that the dash lights weren't working on the Kioti, and what you had done, things would have been different. We could have told you instantly it wasn't the cruise module, as everything else worked, and since the dash worked, it had to be wiring. Me and several others had to dig through a ton of c**p and BS to get to that point, at which point the answer was obvious. Most problems like this have two pages of targeted info, resulting in solving the problem. By making this a brand issue, you escalated the issue.

Now the wiring. Things happen. It could have easily happened at the dealer as at the factory. It could have been something you ran over once. I think it is only fair to conclude that the OP over reacted to a really small problem, the result being 9 pages of flamethrowing. We almost went down the Kubota vs Kioti path, that could have been really nasty.

In the end though, I am glad the OP solved the issue. And yes, Kioti customer service could be better, but so could JD's (or Kubota, etc.)
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #84  
...after 4 hours this weekend chasing wire after wire i found a wire that somehow was "pinched" when the unite was assembled at Kioti and had became worse when it was running...again a Kioti issue..must have been built on friday who knows. i don't care what brand you have if it's green orange pink or purple advise should be available to anyone for anything in my business i'm available 24/7 for my customers and it pays off everyday for me

So Ricky: Did you fix the wire and (if so) did that fix your problem?
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #85  
17hrs in 4 years, modules tested good in other units. Screams out to me as critter chewed wiring. Heck, I leave anything parked for more than a week and it seems like I have to shake the critters out of it. Maybe I just need some cats. ....

Funny you say that - I park mine in my outbuilding, where my three rodent-control cats reside at night. They argue over which one sleeps in the seat.
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #86  
OMG...please guys how can anyone read way to much into this,i came on to see if anyone had a simular issue with this brand tractor not to bash them as for the hours as i said this is second Kioti tractor when i bought the newer one a offer was made on my property so i sold it thats why only 17hr on meter.no im not looking for Kioti to fix anything i just wanted some feedback because someone said they had some defective cruse modules but Kioti service is not what it should be. im not throwing parts at it to try and fix it nor did a rat chew the wires or sitting caused the issues and one comment is "dash lights are not that big a deal" if your car or truck had no light would it be a big deal? am i upset with the brand NO do i wish they had better support YES do i want something for free or them to fix it free NO and after 4 hours this weekend chasing wire after wire i found a wire that somehow was "pinched" when the unite was assembled at Kioti and had became worse when it was running...again a Kioti issue..must have been built on friday who knows. i don't care what brand you have if it's green orange pink or purple advise should be available to anyone for anything in my business i'm available 24/7 for my customers and it pays off everyday for me

1.) I agree with you that Kioti Corporate should have been more responsive - even if the response was "We have no idea".
2.) They had no idea. Hard to diagnose electrical issues remotely.
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #87  
The dealer needs to get involved before asking corporate.
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #88  
1.) I agree with you that Kioti Corporate should have been more responsive - even if the response was "We have no idea".
2.) They had no idea. Hard to diagnose electrical issues remotely.

3: It is not the responsibility of Kioti corporate to fix tractors. That is the Dealers job. Or the owner or his designated mechanic of choice.
How many chevy's fords and chryslers have been repaired or had advice on how to repair by the corporate office?

"oh hey, I have a miss in my old chevy, I guess I will call GM for some advice on how to diagnose and troubleshoot that" I am willing to bet a call to GM would meet with a lot of response. AT BEST, the telephone number and address of your nearest dealer MIGHT be given. AT BEST.
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #89  
So we STILL don't know if the problem is solved; but we do know that Kioti customer service should have provided the answer that a pinched wire was likely the cause of this debacle!:confused2::shocked:
And the range indicator lights are as crucial as the dash lights on a car/truck- I thing not even close. JMHO.
Numerous times we said the wiring was the problem, again and again... So BTW, did your dealer. There's Kioti service- telling you what the problem was- even though you took it upon yourself to self diagnose the issue with pulling and swapping parts out- YOUR choice to do so. But again, you were looking for someone to pin this on. It didn't stick to your dealer, it won't stick to Kioti HQ either. Others jumped in the shark pool to blame me for 'poor you and your frustration' (please) with this, again, MINOR issue. Your range selector STILL indicates what range you're in - try looking at it, that's why it's there; as it was on earlier models that didn't even include a light on the dash. No one died from lack of range selector lights.
And, for the record; it's NOT Kioti Corporate HQ's job to solve issues like this: It is the DEALER's, new or used, bought one or several, makes no difference.
Don't know, or care particularly, what job the OP does - 24/7 customer support for things like this issue are just NOT part of any tractor brand sales or service, period.
Next time you're seeking help ask for it. The way this thread has run, based on the OP's attitude from the title to keeping the participants in the dark from day one, it's no surprise he didn't hear back from Kioti HQ. They've got real issues to deal with, daily. They're going to pick and chose what it worthy of their time. That's life, then you die.:confused3:
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #90  
am i upset with the brand NO do i wish they had better support YES do i want something for free or them to fix it free NO and after 4 hours this weekend chasing wire after wire i found a wire that somehow was "pinched" when the unite was assembled at Kioti and had became worse when it was running...again a Kioti issue..must have been built on friday who knows. i don't care what brand you have if it's green orange pink or purple advise should be available to anyone for anything in my business i'm available 24/7 for my customers and it pays off everyday for me
I still don't get what you were expecting here.
The dealer never saw the tractor, he gave you advice based on the information he had that the problem sounds like the wiring.
The problem ended up being in the wiring just like he said.
What more were they supposed to do for you if the dealer doesn't have the tractor?
 
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   / Rethinking Kioti products #91  
I get it. I understand the OP's frustration. I've been accused of being a "Shark" in this thread. Me and a couple other posters are the only ones not being Sharks. You guys take turns "Dog Piling" on a fellow Kioti owner. Not sure what that's about?

I personally don't give a crap what brand tractor the OP owns.

I don't get all the defensive posturing?? Maybe I missed something. :ashamed:
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #92  
I get it. I understand the OP's frustration. I've been accused of being a "Shark" in this thread. Me and a couple other posters are the only ones not being Sharks. You guys take turns "Dog Piling" on a fellow Kioti owner. Not sure what that's about?

I personally don't give a crap what brand tractor the OP owns.

I don't get all the defensive posturing?? Maybe I missed something. :ashamed:


The problem is you just DON'T get it. We're not dog piling, as you crudely put it. We're just dedicated Kioti owners who know that what this thread OP wants IS and was totally unrealistic to expect from Kioti Corporate, and from the dealer network. It's been said a thousand times already but I'll say it again: IT'S NOT Kioti Corporates job to solve diddidly piss ant issues like this- It is up to the OP and their DEALER. The dealer TOLD the OP it was wiring related early on. END of story. Pissing on the customer service reps name and reputation is rude, unwarranted and possibly libelous as a result of slandering her good name. The OP knows nothing of what she does or doesn't do regarding phone messages, and calling her out by presenting a challenge to call her, as a 'test' is ludicrous.

Get a grip. You're right, you DON'T get it. And you chose to see yourself as a shark here- no one singled you out. Yet you just can't stay away- have to keep coming back for more comments that serve NO purpose in this thread.
You say you understand the OP's frustration, and you're colorblind...
No one is dumping on the poor, poor OP. What IS happening is this: he posted an inflammatory title, and kept the TBN community in the dark about making any sense of the details of how/why/when/where his 17 hour Kioti got a no range selector light condition. Then he wants the world to stop to immediately respond to and give him the correct answer to his minor issue. The dealer put up with his part swapping routine and concluded correctly, that the problem is/was WIRING.

He's still whining about how "someone told him there were cruse (cruise) module issues", and somehow that is supposed to be crucial to this problem? NO, the cruise module was NOT the problem, never was.
There's no defensive posturing- there IS clarity about being an *** when it comes to how a thread is presented and the correct way to approach issues, especially minor ones. Corporate isn't interested in, and doesn't owe any explanation for not responding to stupid inquiries by every 'poor, poor frustrated guy' who can't seem to understand the answer given to him by his dealer.

You're completely wrong about being one of the few guys on this thread who aren't being sharks. All the Kioti members here have been here all along, like me, still trying to help the OP IN SPITE of the way he handled this. It should be quite clear that most all of us Kioti responders are here to help, AND we're here to say- if anyone has an issue with their Kioti bring it here first, be reasonable in one's title and stay off the accusations about who does what at Kioti, especially when naming names on a forum like this.

End trans,

CM
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #93  
I get it. I understand the OP's frustration. I've been accused of being a "Shark" in this thread. Me and a couple other posters are the only ones not being Sharks. You guys take turns "Dog Piling" on a fellow Kioti owner. Not sure what that's about?

I personally don't give a crap what brand tractor the OP owns.

I don't get all the defensive posturing?? Maybe I missed something. :ashamed:

Nope, just the nature of things, if you are not a Kioti acolyte, about anything you say beyond Kioti is the best tractor made by he greatest corporation in the world, it always ends the same way. And of course I will now be flamed and the pitchforks will come out.
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #94  
Nope, just the nature of things, if you are not a Kioti acolyte, about anything you say beyond Kioti is the best tractor made by he greatest corporation in the world, it always ends the same way. And of course I will now be flamed and the pitchforks will come out.
I disagree with both you and Coyote. This thread has come off its hinges but I don't think the OP's frustrated initial posts were anything worse than what consumers do every day in our world. We are all pretty much spoiled by Amazon and a few other companies who bend over backwards to sold even unrealistic customer demands. The OP had a frustrating experience with his dealer and ended up taking it out on a poor customer service rep. It happens. That is no reason to treat the OP like he is an entitled jerk. We all vent and we all get vented at. No reason to jump to conclusions just because the first interaction didn't go well. Some folks here are too defensive.
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #95  
I disagree with both you and Coyote. This thread has come off its hinges but I don't think the OP's frustrated initial posts were anything worse than what consumers do every day in our world. We are all pretty much spoiled by Amazon and a few other companies who bend over backwards to sold even unrealistic customer demands. The OP had a frustrating experience with his dealer and ended up taking it out on a poor customer service rep. It happens. That is no reason to treat the OP like he is an entitled jerk. We all vent and we all get vented at. No reason to jump to conclusions just because the first interaction didn't go well. Some folks here are too defensive.

You can disagree with my viewpoint as much as you like, IT. that's fine, and I'm not offended by it, nor do I worry about your seeing things differently than I do.
Just because the climate today is everyone demands instant customer satisfaction doesn't make it right, nor does it justify an owner of any tractor brand bashing the corporation to the point of calling out a customer service rep by name, and drawing erroneous conclusions about their job and how they do it.
Frustration: whatever- people need to grow up and stop whining about everything that doesn't go their way every second. Part of the unhinging was off track baseball discussion, which you and other Kioti members initiated and carried on about. Personally, I could care less. I've said it many times; I'm here to help others in any way I can, as others have often helped me. I don't want to waste my time and energy arguing with people, regardless of what they own or don't, about things that aren't focussed on the actual issue at hand.
The OP, has been difficult at best to deal with- to get any kind of clear answers from, and to date has not stated if his issue is fixed by having found the pinched wire(s), which of course he wants someone to blame for. Tractors come with problems, warranty usually resolves those. If one buys 2 or 20 tractors, has warranty or doesn't, those thing all count toward the way things get resolved.

I have taken a lot of heat in this thread for all manner of things, NONE of which amounts to anything. I and other Kioti, and a few other brand loyal TBN members, AND the OP's dealer, ALL said wiring.
Wiring it is/was, until we are told different.

Frustration over a blown up transmission or engine failure is one justifiable problem. A wire being pinched is a pain, but not earth shattering. This is what posters need to take into account when they post here. Members, you, me and others, should value their time, and I don't care if it's Kioti being slammed or some other brand: if it's not done in a way that respects all our time and effort, then the next OP who chooses to do this sort of thing should just write a letter, you know, on paper, to the corporate offices of the brand and await the reply- instead of wasting our time, then when called on it- making all kinds of irrelevant excuses and denying what he actually did and how he behaved. If there wasn't' a problem with his method they're wouldn't be 10 + pages of 'discussion' about it.
And everybody venting or getting vented at is just supportive of the status quo, which doesn't make it any better. I don't see where anyone said the OP is/was an entitled jerk, either.
Let's not settle for the lowest quality of interaction here on TBN.
Instead let's elevate things to where members, new or old, can come here, ask a reasonable uncharged with vehemence question, seek help from other owners, and get answers that help them get on with their task(s).

I aspire to elevating the discussion rather than dragging everything through the mud.
 
   / Rethinking Kioti products #96  
Full moon tonight.
 
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