Ruger or Glock

[dmccarty]

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I think I may need more then six or seven rounds.

RSKY

Yes, I think you need more than 6 or 7 rounds. My body size and shape allows me to carry a large, frame pistol and that is what I carry. I know other people who can do the same but they will carry a smaller hand gun because it is lighter and easier to conceal in summer clothes. Having said that, I have shirts that allow me to carry in the summer with a large frame pistol without a problem. Larger hand guns are generally easier and more accurate to shoot than smaller ones so I just go large.

For what you are doing, you should also be considering carrying at least one, if not two, extra magazines, especially if the magazine only holds sixish rounds. One could find themselves in a situation where the immediate attack has been blunted but the shooter is now in a room/barricade and he needs to be kept pinned down. Keeping him pinned down is going to take some rounds. Not that one would want to be just shooting constantly, but one could need enough rounds to shoot when he shows himself from time to time.

Lets say one has seven rounds and two rounds are fired which causes the attacker to go to ground. There are now five rounds and if one round is fired every 10 seconds as the bad guy shows himself, that only gives you 50 seconds of time before you are out of rounds and time. At that point, your options are to run like heck and/or most likely get shot.

Later,
Dan

 

[RSKY]

Do you believe you will ever have someone trained & motivated to KILL attack your church?
Is it more likely you will be attacked by someone more like you & the others in your group that don't have that training?

When you get as good as your instructor, I'll just throw a bomb into the building... then what?

We don't expect an attack, but our area has had two school shootings in the past twenty years. A few weeks after the Texas church shooting we had probably a third of the attendee families packing weapons. We are just starting and the drills we are running is for somebody coming in one of the two front doors. We actually ran a drill tonight, Sunday, with about half of the church there. Then we had to go around and help the older ones off the floor because the two guards in the auditorium were screaming "get down" at the top of their lungs. One of the things the leader went over and over was to let the guards do what we have planned and for others to stay down and out of the way. It was emphasized that if we have thirty five people stand up and start shooting (in Kentucky we are nearly as bad as Texas) that more would probably be hit by friendly fire than the assailant.

As we develop different drills for different events we plan to fade away into the background with everybody forgetting we are there. We are still welcoming to visitors. And our little church has had people from all over the world and many different religions visit. The last were a couple who were of the Janes religion from India. They were made very welcome and the wife even attending a Homemakers Club meeting where she talked about herbal solutions to common problems. We have already discussed having extra security when we know there will be a foreign presence not because they are a threat but in case there is a threat to them.

And yes the problem we most dread is if the shooter is one of our own who, for some reason, goes nuts and starts shooting. Had that happen with one of ours but it was outside the church. He pointed a Berretta at a KSP officer and was killed.

More probable is a visitor who attends for a Sunday or three and builds up familiarity and trust, then attacks.

We know we cannot defend against every scenario but we are going to plan as best as a bunch of old men can. Better to have a plan and not need it than to need a plan and not have it.

Just so you understand. My entire world is sitting in one pew on Sunday morning. My wife, my daughters, and their families, including my four precious grandchildren. I WILL do what it takes to protect them in any way I can.

RSKY

 

[RSKY]

Let me say, I think it is great that you are taking your church families safety to this level. Years ago I was in a church elder meeting where a few of the CC members were requesting permission to carry in church.

I don't think most of the elders thought it was a big deal. One elder however, one of the very tenured and respected ones, went ape $hi+ about it. He pretty much said you allow that I am done here. The paster didn't know what to do and shut that whole request down because of this one guy.

I was probably the newest and youngest elder and I'm sitting there thinking.. if I wanted to carry in here I would just carry.. lol. I am also the most rebelious one; and frankly haven't gone to church in years after seeing the compromises that go on in elders meetings.

Anyway, kudos to you all for not letting a few anti gun folks stop you from keeping your place of worship from being a soft target.

The elders were the ones that started this. Three or four years ago it was quietly passed around, by the grapevine that all churches have, that at least one of the elders or deacons was packing at every service. They did this to protect the congregation. It was kinda funny because nobody was supposed to know but one guy was so obvious it was funny. Apparently he went thru several holsters before he found a comfortable one.

RSKY

 

[RSKY]

One reasons I do not like Glocks is because of the need to pull the trigger to field strip.

While people correctly state that the weapons should be unloaded before field stripping, scat happens. With my old S&W pistols, even if I messed up, left a round in the chamber and pointed the weapon at myself or another, I would not fire the weapon when field stripping because I never had to touch the trigger. The Glock design just makes it more possible to fire by accident. The other thing I do not like about the Glock is that it does not have a loaded chamber indicator. Now, not every pistol has an indicator, but it sure is a nice feature. Just makes it easy to quickly glance to make sure the weapon is really unloaded or loaded. Tis a feature that helps minimize an accidental discharge. The Glock design simply increases the odds of someone making a mistake.

I have a rifle that requires a trigger pull to release the bolt. I don't like it either. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Once upon a time, I was about to clean that rifle, so I pulled the trigger to release the bolt and said oh scat. Except I did not say scat. What scared me was the question that had popped into my head as I pulled the trigger, did I check the chamber? Now, a round did not fire, and I HAD checked the chamber, but it still scared the who who out of me.

Later,
Dan

I can watch a clerk check a pistol at a gun store and I still have to check it myself before I can handle it. I have had guns all my life and am quite comfortable shooting. But when handling them in the house for cleaning, or traveling to someplace to shoot, I am scared to death of them. It is just a nervous reflex to check, check, and recheck them.

RSKY

 

[airbiscuit]

And yes the problem we most dread is if the shooter is one of our own who, for some reason, goes nuts and starts shooting.

More probable is a visitor who attends for a Sunday or three and builds up familiarity and trust, then attacks.need a plan and not have it.RSKY

I think there is an equally good chance that it will be someone connected to your congregation - jilted lover, angry divorcee, domestic abuser, crazed child, etc. In any case, an attacker is an attacker.

PS: I hope your church is the loving, kind and tolerant type - especially if the congregants are packing heat.

 

[tjkubota93]

I think there is an equally good chance that it will be someone connected to your congregation - jilted lover, angry divorcee, domestic abuser, crazed child, etc. In any case, an attacker is an attacker.

PS: I hope your church is the loving, kind and tolerant type - especially if the congregants are packing heat.

I had to look up jilted.

 

[stingray1]

Glock

 

[Peter 315]

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[cdaigle430]

Do you believe you will ever have someone trained & motivated to KILL attack your church?
Is it more likely you will be attacked by someone more like you & the others in your group that don't have that training?

When you get as good as your instructor, I'll just throw a bomb into the building... then what?

Then whomever throws the bomb better hope I dont survive cause Ill be coming after hem and I dont take prisoners The truth is we are ultimately all responsible for our own security, some practice good security and dont even know it. One example is picking a safe neighborhood with a safe school to raise your family.

We should all train ourselves for home security-no one else is responsible for you and your family but you-let that sink in. law enforcement usually gets called after the murder has been done.

The other thing is this...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

We need to train ourselves against a tyrannical government if and when it ever gets to that point. Our country's forefathers new this.

For me I prefer the glock because of the safety mechanism for home and woods security-why, because I dont have to worry about forgetting if the safety is on when I press the trigger in a life or death situation. For traveling I prefer something with a safety.

 

[PJSprog]

The truth is we are ultimately all responsible for our own security, ...

As the sordid and unfortunate details keep emerging from the Parkland FL incident, I hope this is becoming more and more clear to people.

Glad RSKY and his fellow congregants are being proactive about their security.