k0ua
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That is a nervous reflex you want to keep. I do the same thing. Even it the firearm leaves my hand for a second and I set it down, Check it again.
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That is a nervous reflex you want to keep. I do the same thing. Even it the firearm leaves my hand for a second and I set it down, Check it again.
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My wife packs this in her purse or jeans everywhere she goes. When I was buying it at Rural King I got a lot of laughs. "What are you gonna do with that big guy". I just laughed and said it is for my wife and I think it would ruin your plans for the evening if you were to get shot center mast with it. She has the magnum or standard. My dad carries one too but his isn't mag.
I had bought her a semi-auto but she said it was too heavy and stopped carrying it.
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I had bought her a semi-auto but she said it was too heavy and stopped carrying it.
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It is. For the size we have done a lot of work in the community and in Africa. Currently the big thing is digging wells in Zimbabwe. I believe the total is eight or nine at $10,000 apiece. Not sure because we found out by accident one of the locals had paid for at least one by himself. And we number about 120 on a typical Sunday.
As for the security we have agreed to establish a routine, let everybody get used to it, then fade from sight so nobody pays any attention to us.
We are also making plans for other emergencies at the church and away from it. Such as a fire, tornado, or medical emergency for one of the people at the church.
We have no national organization that we pay dues to, each church is an entity of it's own.
RSKY
At the risk of raising a semi-zombiefied thread...(but I just came across this one, and it's new to me...)
And this is not regarding the OP's question regarding the gun to choose, but rather the application described...
Our church, and I'm sure many others, began discussions about security and safety after the church and school shootings. We developed a church safety and security team, have met several times and created action plans regarding emergency situations. These include everything from heart attacks to gas leaks to floods, fires, tornadoes and earthquakes. We have upgraded our first aid kits and fire extinguishers, added a full trauma bag (we are fortunate that we have several RNs present in the congregation) and added an AED. We have had classes for the AED. We will be holding a basic first aid class and then later a first aid/CPR class.
Next week we are having a CCDW class.
One other thing that we have added, this is is a big one, is a security camera system. It will be actively monitored during services. We went to the trouble to make it so that it is virtually unnoticeable to visitors and the congregation at large. There are a total of 13 cameras with several monitoring all of the approaches to the church (we are fortunate in that the church sits in the middle of a cemetery and there are no hidden approaches. The hope is that if the monitoring person were to see someone strange approaching, carrying a suspicious object (say rifle shaped or a bag that might conceal a bomb/weapon), then they could raise the alarm and we (the congregation) might have 30 seconds warning to prepare (evacuate, shelter-in-place, etc.)
By no means is this solution fool-proof, and in itself, it will not stop an active shooter. In our small congregation (usual attendance is between 50 and 60), there are 7-10 of us that, on any given Sunday, carry a weapon. Several of us know who carries. Others in the congregation do not know and do not care to know, or do not wish to be known.
I just mention this because the system we purchased from Amazon ($500) was very easy to install (by me, my son and nephew on a couple of Saturdays) and will also passively monitor the premises when we are not on-site. We've had three break-ins in the past 6 years, with nothing of value stolen (because there is nothing of real monetary value present at the church). The DVR itself is concealed in a heavily built cabinet that is anchored to the floor and wall. Inside the cabinet is a locked steel security cabinet that holds the DVR, so hopefully if someone breaks in, they can't access the DVR and steal it.
The idea is to try to give some warning to the congregation should their be an active shooter/attacker. I truly hope it is never tested. I just thought I might mention that to any others who may be considering the same situation for their church or other activity where people gather.
Good luck and take care.
And this is not regarding the OP's question regarding the gun to choose, but rather the application described...
Our church, and I'm sure many others, began discussions about security and safety after the church and school shootings. We developed a church safety and security team, have met several times and created action plans regarding emergency situations. These include everything from heart attacks to gas leaks to floods, fires, tornadoes and earthquakes. We have upgraded our first aid kits and fire extinguishers, added a full trauma bag (we are fortunate that we have several RNs present in the congregation) and added an AED. We have had classes for the AED. We will be holding a basic first aid class and then later a first aid/CPR class.
Next week we are having a CCDW class.
One other thing that we have added, this is is a big one, is a security camera system. It will be actively monitored during services. We went to the trouble to make it so that it is virtually unnoticeable to visitors and the congregation at large. There are a total of 13 cameras with several monitoring all of the approaches to the church (we are fortunate in that the church sits in the middle of a cemetery and there are no hidden approaches. The hope is that if the monitoring person were to see someone strange approaching, carrying a suspicious object (say rifle shaped or a bag that might conceal a bomb/weapon), then they could raise the alarm and we (the congregation) might have 30 seconds warning to prepare (evacuate, shelter-in-place, etc.)
By no means is this solution fool-proof, and in itself, it will not stop an active shooter. In our small congregation (usual attendance is between 50 and 60), there are 7-10 of us that, on any given Sunday, carry a weapon. Several of us know who carries. Others in the congregation do not know and do not care to know, or do not wish to be known.
I just mention this because the system we purchased from Amazon ($500) was very easy to install (by me, my son and nephew on a couple of Saturdays) and will also passively monitor the premises when we are not on-site. We've had three break-ins in the past 6 years, with nothing of value stolen (because there is nothing of real monetary value present at the church). The DVR itself is concealed in a heavily built cabinet that is anchored to the floor and wall. Inside the cabinet is a locked steel security cabinet that holds the DVR, so hopefully if someone breaks in, they can't access the DVR and steal it.
The idea is to try to give some warning to the congregation should their be an active shooter/attacker. I truly hope it is never tested. I just thought I might mention that to any others who may be considering the same situation for their church or other activity where people gather.
Good luck and take care.
k0ua
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It sounds like you guys are about as prepared as you can be. :thumbsup:
We have a video monitor system installed and continue to modify it for optimum use. We are also working on plans for other emergencies but right now the active shooter is the main one. We are going to call ourselves ushers and hopefully the regulars will know that most if not all are armed while visitors will not. We also have several RNs including one who has worked in an emergency room for years. There are a couple AEDs and a couple of first aid kits.
Last night it was discussed doing what some of the larger churches are doing and purchasing a communications system with the little earbuds.
I have drawn up an emergency plan for inclement weather, in our area that would be a tornado, and will present it to the group at some time.
We have discussed what to do in case of a fire.
A funny story that was told to me last night. A large church in our town was having a gospel singing with groups from around the local area. Shortly after the first group had finished a teenaged or early twenties boy or man that nobody knew walked in the auditorium and sat down behind the visiting speaker. This person had on a long coat that came down to his ankles and had a backpack on. Within the time it took for a choir to sing two more songs several members had visited the restroom and their cars and retrieved weapons and those men had moved around to be near the young man.
Turned out he was a 'music student' that had come in late with one of the visiting groups.
His dress, demeanor, and the fact that he seemed half stoned had set the entire 200+ people in the church on edge and ready to run or fight.
At the next service the last holdouts on having a security team had changed their minds and that church is now organizing one.
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I am giving this thread a bump, because , unfortunately, it turned out to be prescient.
Texas church shooting: Suspect fatally shoots 2 before parishioners kill him - CNN
Texas church shooting: Suspect fatally shoots 2 before parishioners kill him - CNN
k0ua
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Six seconds from start to finish with bad guy laying on floor dead. That is a pretty good response to evil I think.
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This is the clearest example of more good people carrying guns that responsible gun owners have touted for decades.
The liberals want all guns removed and hundreds of more laws passed. I have never heard of a bad guy following any gun laws but liberals insist on passing more gun laws.
Think about this, this could have easily turned into 50-100 people dead as we have seen in London concert, Florida gay bar, San Bernardino Christmas party. These responsible gun owners
did exactly as the system was expected to work.
Now think of this. If several of these shootings turned out the same way I will bet dollars to donuts that these shooting will stop. Why would a bad guy attempt a mass shooting id all he kills is 2 people then gets his head blown off. Epic fail.
These shooters want numbers and if those numbers are denied they they will cease doing this. OH, I AGREE they will find another way, but as long as law-abiding citizens have guns with them at all times you will see less and less of these crimes.