Service Animals

[Industrial Toys]

I guess what works for an intended outcome and what is morally right are often two different things.

Saw on the (Fake) NEWS, which I never watch, that our Police shot and killed some guy wielding an Axe not too far from here. Not sure what that was all about and I, as the public will likely never know the TRUTH, but seems like it might have been a good job for a dog.

 

[ovrszd]

What would be the circumstance where someone would be warranted to tell a cop that he needs to lay off the doughnut shop? How could that be said in any other tone than degrading and sarcastic?

 

[Molalla1]

What would be the circumstance where someone would be warranted to tell a cop that he needs to lay off the doughnut shop? How could that be said in any other tone than degrading and sarcastic?

Good luck with a answer Richard . . . I have none . . . self protected here . . .

 

[Sigarms]

What would be the circumstance where someone would be warranted to tell a cop that he needs to lay off the doughnut shop? How could that be said in any other tone than degrading and sarcastic?

If a cop is a fat butt and if your out protesting for whatever reason, who knows. Personally I've never protested anything in public in my life. That said, if a cop is a fat arse and someone calls him out on it in a public protest, don't see that being a right of the cop to use force agasint a jerk calling him a name.

If somone calls you name, do you automatically get into a fight with them?

So, if your upholding the law, are you so short tempered that if someone calls you a name you unleash a dog on them? If you're that short tempered, should you even be carrying a gun?

 

[drssg]

I guess what works for an intended outcome and what is morally right are often two different things.

Saw on the (Fake) NEWS, which I never watch, that our Police shot and killed some guy wielding an Axe not too far from here. Not sure what that was all about and I, as the public will likely never know the TRUTH, but seems like it might have been a good job for a dog.

Wow, so let the dog get his head split open with an ax? The dog is not a disposable tool.

From what I've seen, if a suspect threatens the police with a deadly weapon, they respond with a deadly weapon.

 

[ovrszd]

If a cop is a fat butt and if your out protesting for whatever reason, who knows. Personally I've never protested anything in public in my life. That said, if a cop is a fat arse and someone calls him out on it in a public protest, don't see that being a right of the cop to use force agasint a jerk calling him a name.

If somone calls you name, do you automatically get into a fight with them?

So, if your upholding the law, are you so short tempered that if someone calls you a name you unleash a dog on them? If you're that short tempered, should you even be carrying a gun?

So if I'm legally protesting it's okay to yell obscenities at the cops and call them names? It's okay for me to legally stand out in the road in front of your house and call you a fat arse??

So it's probably also okay for me to lightly toss something in the general direction of the cops during said protest? And if I'm cold it's probably okay to light a little fire too?

Funny how this spirals downhill. And it's most definitely ALWAYS the cop's fault.

 

[Sigarms]

So if I'm legally protesting it's okay to yell obscenities at the cops and call them names? It's okay for me to legally stand out in the road in front of your house and call you a fat arse??

First off, if you're on the public road in front of my house, I most likely won't hear you if your tyring to scream anything at me LOL

As far as yelling obscenities at LEO's, honestly I don't know, as noted, never protested before. Is there a differencec between hollaring obsenities and telling a cop he has a fat arse?

That said, is it agasint the law to call cops name while your protesting? Honestly don't know. If it's agasin't the law, I guess the police could arrest the people, correct? That said, I'm guessing there is this ***** of a rule about this thing called free speech somewhere...

Generally speaking, I'd guess if you're doing riot duty as a LEO, it's not allright to slug someone for calling you name (unless you're in a 3rd world country where the dictators men are enforcing the law). Just like it wouldn't be ok to let the dogs loose on people for the same reason.

Keep in mind, just becuase you're right (or within the law) doesn't always mean you should do it IMO.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I'm the wrong person to talk to about Human vs animal life. But I thought the point , like it or not, was to save the life of humans and sacrifice animals. A man is dead, that I know. Probably someones father or son. Like I said, who knows what happened.

 

[ovrszd]

First off, you arse is probably fatter than mine, so no worries there...

As far as yelling obscenities, Honestly I don't know, as noted, never protested before. Is there a differencec between hollaring obsenities and telling a cop he has a fat arse?

That said, is it agasint the law to call cops name while your protesting? Honestly don't know. If it's agasin't the law, I guess the police could arrest the people, correct?

Generally speaking, I'd guess if you're doing riot duty as a LEO, is it all right to slug someone for calling you name? I don't believe so. Just like it wouldn't be ok to let the dogs loose on people for the same reason.

Keep in mind, just becuase you're right (or within the law) doesn't always mean you should do it IMO.

I agree with all you said above.

Keep in mind, there's wayyyyyyy more to the story of cops turning the dogs loose on the crowd than what is shown in the phone video.

 

[ovrszd]

I'm the wrong person to talk to about Human vs animal life. But I thought the point , like it or not, was to save the life of humans and sacrifice animals. A man is dead, that I know. Probably someones father or son. Like I said, who knows what happened.

The people immediately involved in the incident know exactly what happened.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I wasn't even aware that there was issue or discussion about dogs and crowd control.

I was watching the documentary about how the Government squashed the "Bonus Army" in DC so many years ago, killing a few.

So much human behavior can only be understood, putting it into Caveman and Tribal Mentality perspective. Much about humans hasn't changed since then.

It might surprise you Richard, how peoples own interests and beliefs can truly cloud their memory of events.

 

[ovrszd]

I wasn't even aware that there was issue or discussion about dogs and crowd control.

I was watching the documentary about how the Government squashed the "Bonus Army" in DC so many years ago, killing a few.

So much human behavior can only be understood, putting it into Caveman and Tribal Mentality perspective. Much about humans hasn't changed since then.

It might surprise you Richard, how peoples own interests and beliefs can truly cloud their memory of events.

Nothing about human nature surprises me. That comes from years of dealing with all types.

 

[Hroller]

So if I'm legally protesting it's okay to yell obscenities at the cops and call them names? It's okay for me to legally stand out in the road in front of your house and call you a fat arse??

So it's probably also okay for me to lightly toss something in the general direction of the cops during said protest? And if I'm cold it's probably okay to light a little fire too?

Funny how this spirals downhill. And it's most definitely ALWAYS the cop's fault.

Reductio ad absurdum, calling someone a name is not the same thing as throwing molotov cocktails or rocks, there's a long history of name calling being free speech. the government (cops are part of the Government) can't stop you from saying things (with exceptions as ruled by various Courts, yelling fire, inciting violence), mind you, someone standing on the public right of way that says something odious to a private person has a Right to that speech, and they should know that sometimes that speech will have consequences.

 

[Sigarms]

I agree with all you said above.

Keep in mind, there's wayyyyyyy more to the story of cops turning the dogs loose on the crowd than what is shown in the phone video.

The irony is I have no clue to what video you're refering to:laughing:

I just brought up the example of a LEO turning "a dog loose to flush the bird out" as an example of why a well trained aggressive dog may be of use (genearlly in a LEO's hands).

My primary point is that dogs owned by families that show signs of aggression are more likely a liability than an asset to those families who own them. I have my dogs to alert me and my family. It's up to myself (and my family when I'm not there) to protect ourselves as well as our dogs.

 

[Sigarms]

Reductio ad absurdum, calling someone a name is not the same thing as throwing molotov cocktails or rocks, there's a long history of name calling being free speech. the government (cops are part of the Government) can't stop you from saying things (with exceptions as ruled by various Courts, yelling fire, inciting violence), mind you, someone standing on the public right of way that says something odious to a private person has a Right to that speech, and they should know that sometimes that speech will have consequences.

After doing some reasearch thinking about it, in the US, it comes down to state laws as to what is allowed per obscenities.

Personally what I've found is if you want to be a dick, never yell and always smile whenever your talking.

The reality is calling a guy who has a gun on hip and a badge on his chest names is more than stupid even if you have a legal right to do so.

 

[bunyip]

Don't do this to a Police Horse
Woman drop kicked by a Horse. Don't slap a Police Horse or this might happen - YouTube

This was on TV a couple of days ago, the smoke around Sydney is really bad from the bush fires but some people think of their animals

 

[ovrszd]

Reductio ad absurdum, calling someone a name is not the same thing as throwing molotov cocktails or rocks, there's a long history of name calling being free speech. the government (cops are part of the Government) can't stop you from saying things (with exceptions as ruled by various Courts, yelling fire, inciting violence), mind you, someone standing on the public right of way that says something odious to a private person has a Right to that speech, and they should know that sometimes that speech will have consequences.

Very, very well stated!!!

 

[ovrszd]

Don't do this to a Police Horse
Woman drop kicked by a Horse. Don't slap a Police Horse or this might happen - YouTube

This was on TV a couple of days ago, the smoke around Sydney is really bad from the bush fires but some people think of their animals

That video is very , very funny!!! An example of why you should always question why your friends are suddenly "daring" you to do something!!!! :laughing:

 

[goeduck]

That video is very , very funny!!! An example of why you should always question why your friends are suddenly "daring" you to do something!!!! :laughing:

She is lucky she was not killed. A kick to the head will often do that.

 

[goeduck]

Saw on the (Fake) NEWS, which I never watch

So how did you see it then? :confused2: