Shipping Container for Olive Mill

[rox]

Seems like the cost of setting this kind of machinery up and then doing it all over again would be more than the difference of doing the final building first. How about putting in the concrete pad with the drainage and power, and throwing a tarp over the machine untill you can get the building around it? Gotta be a better way than to waste all the installation labor and supplies.

No can do see regualtions in prior post.

 

[rox]

Hi Rox,
The more I think about it, the better it sounds. I知 actually changing my mind on the container approach and thinking that it just might be the best way to go. I don稚 even think you should consider it a three year, temporary solution. You could easily add on to the container, or buy another and connect them if and when you need more space. I would build and plan for it to be a permanent part of your operation. Adding a nice roof and covering it in rock to pretty it up would be allot cheaper than building another building.

Eddie

Well it is about time Eddie!! I hope it doesn't take Steph this long to "warm" you up at night. Geesh....

 

[CurlyDave]

Rox:

More questions.

I don't see the DLE unit on the Schematic. Does it need to have a sloped floor under it, or can it be on a flat floor?

What are the dimensions of the floor scale?

I see an oil transfer pump. Is this used to transfer the oil from the centrifuge to the decanter, or can it also be used to pump oil out of the decanter and into the oil drums?

Could you double-check the handwritten notes on the Schematic? What they have labeled as the electric control panel, is noted as the "Florentine Vase" which you are not going to use. What they label as the static glass separator (decanter?) is hand labeled as control panel.

I am trying to think about material handling. There is more to this than just fitting all the equipment into the container. The olives and oil have to move in and out smoothly.

 

[rox]

Jinman:

Could you post the translation? For some reason I can't get the translation tools to work. Okay I attached it below.

Rox:

A big question I haven't seen covered before. What is the capacity of this mill? How many kilos of olives per hour does it process. How many liters of oil per hour come out?

Dave If you look at the flow chart previusly previously posted I included a pic of a typical olive crate, it is yellow. Our mill will process about 240 of these crates per day. It will press 200 kilos per hour. The big question is the yield of the olives. Some olives yield 23% of their weight in oil, some 14% of their weight in oil. Figure on the attached pic we will produce 4 of the tanks plastic you see shown. I laid a broom on a tank to give you perspective. I hope everyone can see and appreciate how clean our olive work room is. It is spotless, we want to work in a clean environment!

 

[rox]

Eddie Walker:
This will allow you to slope the floor from side to side. A one inch slope over the 8ft width of the floor is now pretty simple to do with mortar or whatever is available there. I would contact your tile guy and ask them what they use when they do a shower floor.

I think that is the way we are inclined to go. Get a channel drain made out of Stainless Steel, stick it where we want it, and it does not have to be in the exact center, and leave it to the tile guy. It is not that much of a slope to direct the fluids. Mainly we will be using squeegees on the floor. The regs do not specify a certain slope they just say it should be bowl shaped to catch the drippings. I am more inclided to go to jsut one output drain, cont' see the need of more than that. If you thinks so please write back and say why. The tile guy may be our nephew who just completed his appreticship, we'll see.

 

[tommu56]

Rox I've seen a lot of suggestions so far

I didn't read the whole thread have you looked at some thing like this on a concrete slab. that has the appropriate drainage built in.

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[rox]

Rox, I read all those requirements using Google Translator and they are exactly as you say. I certainly understand your challenges. I'll have more later, but here is a product I think you should consider. This product is strong enough to be used on the inside of auto carwash walls. It would meet all your code requirements and also be easy to maintain and clean.

Duro-therm Panels

I'm also thinking of other ideas like fold-down doors on the side of the container that allow access as ramps and also provide more open area inside. If you had a fold-down door you could add a canvas canopy (fold-out) above and maybe curtain walls. You could enter or exit the container by these ramped enclosures. Raising and lowering the ramps could be accomplished with ropes, pulleys, and counterweights for ease of operation (not drawn). They would also improve your ventilation tremendously.

Jinman, unless the container company can get me some kind of a deal we prolly won't get fancy enough to do fold down doors, although I agree with you that it would be ideal. Kind of like an aircraft that lowers a cargo door. As much as I would truly love a roll up door both now and for in the future I'll prolly have to yield on it. We'll see how the olive oil sales go. I think we will have to build dirt/gravel ramps or if we can find some steel plate cheap those would be better. If we insualte at all we will most likely go with the aluminum bubble wrap and claim the steel wall of the container is the fire break. We'll have to see how that goes with the permit guy. He is not to far from us so we will be visiting him with all our plans before we buy.

 

[rox]

Tommu56, many thanks for your efforts. Good idea but not gonna meet the regulations.

 

[rox]

Rox:

The container dilemma and redesign!

So far I've heard whatever is used has to have fireproof floors and walls and not be considered a permanent structure. It is also understood that the container idea is fixed!

So, assuming the container is so designed to be supported on the four corners and has a metal floor lined with plywood and no idea of the walls other than metal on the outside.

Locate the site. Install a piling for each corner. Cut out the floor area for the press and pour a cement foundation for it. Skin the floor using concrete and put the proper slopes and drains on it. [Not very hard to do and the container should be able to support this with no problem.. Just use ordinary high strength concrete with no rebar or wire mesh for cost purposes. Cut out the doors and other access points as required and use the cutouts for fabricating the new doors. Have the doors open out wards so they do not constrict inside space. Build dirt ramps for the access doors. Cheap.
Install several ventilating fans high up one at each end. Bathroom fan would work.Install one pressurizing fan at floor level in the center of the container. Again bathroom fan. If the walls require fireproofing use a stucco or cement slap on and trowel smooth product. Don't worry about insulation.

Getting services in should be no problem as torches work on metal quite well.

Keep it as simple as possible and all will work out!

Thank yoou for your support Egon!! There are things we are still figuring out like the floor and the drains so we are not home yet, but I do agree with you, I think it is doable.

 

[rox]

Rox:

More questions.

I don't see the DLE unit on the Schematic. Does it need to have a sloped floor under it, or can it be on a flat floor?

Actually i think the press part flat and the rest sloped just after the press installation. I think the press guys installing are going to have trouble if it is not flat. The DLE is about 2 1/2 feet by 2 1/2 feet. I think it is gonna wanna be level.

What are the dimensions of the floor scale?
This is the most PIA of the whole operation and if there is any way I can afford it I would want to get 2 floor scales. They are a little bigger than an European pallet which is 100cm by 120cm. I would say they are about 130cm by 130 cm. With the pinch point we are going to have to move something on the other side of the pinch point every time, either intake or output. I think we might jsut get a hand pallet jack with a scale built inside for the output.

I see an oil transfer pump. Is this used to transfer the oil from the centrifuge to the decanter, or can it also be used to pump oil out of the decanter and into the oil drums? I am thinking the oil transfer pump you see is to pump the oil to the Florintene vase which we are eliminating in favor of a decanter. This is not shown on the schematic. This will be built and attached by the mill manfucaturer. It will be a straight line from the centrifuge to the decanter and I don't know if there will be a pump or not. The schmatic shows kind of a wide confuration with an olive oil collection tank off the centrifuge with the Florentine vase a distance from that. We believe our configuration with a decanter is going to be a straight line DLE (which is mobile) -> Hopper/Crusher -> maloxer -> Centrifuge -> Decanter.

Could you double-check the handwritten notes on the Schematic? What they have labeled as the electric control panel, is noted as the "Florentine Vase" which you are not going to use. What they label as the static glass separator (decanter?) is hand labeled as control panel. Yeah I do think your right! I hand lebels those wrong.

I am trying to think about material handling. There is more to this than just fitting all the equipment into the container. The olives and oil have to move in and out smoothly.

So true Dave, so true. If you think about rasing the container up that just means we have to lift up crates of heavy olives (a ramp would help but it is still elevation from ground level) get them weighed and if we don't have storage inside the container on the intake side, move them back outside again. Press the olives, weigh the output again and then lower the oil in contaienrs back down to ground level. The closer I can get to ground level the more I'll like it. But then you have issues of having enough space to work under the container to do your hookups which is why Jinmans suggestion of side RV type hookups is so attractive.