Shuttle versus HST

[Wolfy]

I do believe in the near future, compact tractors will only offer HST transmissions. Most pickups are there now.

 

[ovrszd]

I'd say you are correct. I think that cutoff will be below 40HP. Seems the smaller the CUT the larger percentage of it's time is spent doing light work which suits the HST very well.

 

[Agvg]

A HST is about 15% less efficient than gears. When you remove your foot from the go pedal, the drag from the HST will act like brakes. Really I use an emergency brake & turning brakes on my Kubota L3200 HST but vary rarely actual stopping brakes. I like that auto stop function, some don't.

A HST means you can push your tractor to the max easily under varying conditions. Hit thick brush when mowing? Ease up a bit if it starts lugging. Big drift when snow blowing? Ease off & keep the RPMs up. Hard ground when tilling, no problem.

The utility factor makes it a superior transmission for a utility tractor. The 15% performance penalty makes it not ideal for big ag tractors that spend weeks plowing or what not at the same speed.

I won't ever replace my HST with anything else. It was way worth the extra $1000.

From what I hear the HST is as reliable as an old manual gear & probably better than some of the power shifts.

Fendt makes very efficient hst transmissions and in europe its considered to be one of the most fuel efficient tractors.

Technology | Fendt 500 Vario | Tractors - AGCO GmbH

 

[DDT414]

Fendt makes very efficient hst transmissions and in europe its considered to be one of the most fuel efficient tractors. Technology | Fendt 500 Vario | Tractors - AGCO GmbH

The Fendt is a cvt transmission, not a hst. It has some hydraulic input but not correct to call it a hst.

 

[ovrszd]

The Fendt is a cvt transmission, not a hst. It has some hydraulic input but not correct to call it a hst.

That's my understanding as well.

 

[murphy1244]

I'm very surprised they even have those two still in stock. My dealer has been out of the DK series for months so you better make up your mind fast.

 

[phiferpharm]

As a previous owner of a geared tractor and a present owner of an HST, I have to agree with some of the other posters that I would never return to the geared tractor. With that said, I did have to run my Kioti down the highway for 5 miles yesterday in tandem with a older Massey Ferguson geared tractor. The other driver had to continuously pull off and wait for me to catch up as he was a good 4-5 mph faster than I was.

Since I have had my tractors for about 6 years or so and this was the first time I had to go on an actual road with either tractor, it was a minor inconvenience at worst.

 

[ovrszd]

Some of those older Masseys would run in the mid 20s down the road. My Kubota will run 22mph which makes it comfortable to road.

 

[TSO]

I think $25k is high for a DK45 HST. I would try taking him down to $23k.

 

[murphy1244]

I wouldn't waste my money on a DK45, its a whole 4 hp more than the DK40 at 3k more. Might as well go with the DK50.

 

[ovrszd]

I wouldn't waste my money on a DK45, its a whole 4 hp more than the DK40 at 3k more. Might as well go with the DK50.

Power Junkie!!!

 

[kevin37b]

I much prefer hyd . shuttle over hydrostat . Foot throttle and shuttle for loader work .

 

[motownbrowne]

I much prefer hyd . shuttle over hydrostat . Foot throttle and shuttle for loader work .

Unfortunately that's not one of the options. Neither, as far as we know is a dk50.

 

[murphy1244]

Unfortunately that's not one of the options. Neither, as far as we know is a dk50.

I was just asking" is 4 hp worth 3k?

 

[k0ua]

I was just asking" is 4 hp worth 3k?

The DK40 is shuttle, the DK45 is hydro..

 

[murphy1244]

The DK40 is shuttle, the DK45 is hydro..

So the price difference should be more.I think the prices are too high but thats that.

 

[k0ua]

Power Junkie!!!

I suppose it is hard to use horsepower you don't have, just like it is hard to weld with amps you don't have.

 

[Little Tractor Ferndale]

I to love the HST as it offers so much control on a steep hillside even. I have countless times enjoyed the fact that I could move the tractor less then a inch with precision control. Now, what I hate about HST tractors is the fact that "HST" means never made in america, or asian tractor, why do we put up with this? I am looking for a larger utility tractor something in the 5000lb 4 wheel drive 40 to 75 HP size. there is nothing much that will fit my needs in HST. I for one think its a shame that New Holland will buy and paint blue any asian tractor they can find. Look at how many times the under 100 cubic inch compacts have changed engines!
Think about what this means to the guy wanting to find parts in 10 years. I for one would gladly pay more for something made in america.

 

[ovrszd]

I suppose it is hard to use horsepower you don't have, just like it is hard to weld with amps you don't have.

I hear ya James. Murph is like me,,,, never quite satisfied.

 

[Fallon]

In retrospect I've regretted getting my L3200 instead of a L3800. Maybe $1k worth of regret, possibly $1,700 worth. Definitely not $3k+ worth of regret for that missing 6hp.

I definitely didn't regret things until I loaded the tires for extra traction or bought my tiller.