Smokin' in the boys room!

[RoyJackson]

I'm suprised its still going!
I'd join you but instead of a smoke, I'll stick with a beer.

Beer is cool...but what say we invite Bandybear with his stogies...step out to the front porch...sip on scotch and smoke them Ceegars?
Bring your beer with you.

We'll talk about tractors and guns...two noncontroversial subjects...

Am I getting off topic here?

 

[shvl73]

Beer is cool...but what say we invite Bandybear with his stogies...step out to the front porch...sip on scotch and smoke them Ceegars?
Bring your beer with you.

We'll talk about tractors and guns...two noncontroversial subjects...

Be happy to!

 

[Bird]

Bandybear,
Maybe you arent old enough to remember when it was legal to smoke anywhere. I can remember that. Would your aguement "if you dont like smoke, stay out of places that allow it" hold up back then? No, because that was everywhere. You couldnt go into a restuarant or a supermarket, or theatre without being subjected to smoke. Your aguement would have me never eating out, or shopping or seeing a movie. Try asking someone to put it out. What you generally get in return is "I can do it if I want and theres nothing you can do about it". This attitude is the reason why the government is regulating it now.

Edit; I just checked your profile. You probably are old enough to remember it. You know what Im talking about then.

Yep, Ray, I'm old enough to remember that, and you didn't hear anyone complaining about it back then either because that was before it became "fashionable" to complain about smokers. And yes, there have certainly been some discourteous smokers; not as many as the discourteous non-smokers, but definitely some.

And I wonder if any of our members are old enough to remember when cigarettes were advertised as being medically good for you instead of bad for you. It's just one of the many things that the medical profession has done an about face on.

 

[Bandybear]

As a former police officer Bird do you think everyone would do what is right if it wasn't a law? Or if the town had too many bad people you should just leave? Why is it ok to have some laws but not others? This is before my time but you might remember when it was illegal to swear in front of a lady. Why would that have to be a law? Don't people know what is polite and not? So I guess some things need to be made law to enlighten people as to what is acceptable behavior. Smoking is something that is no longer acceptable public behavior much like public drunkeness. If you want to get drunk in your own home you are more then welcome to.

Robert,

As a retired police officer, I would fear the society if we chose to have a law to regulate every bit of our behavior, as I am certain every member of this board would. I would also fear a society where we chose to have no laws. But the lynchpin of our society is that we are citizens of the state and not subjects. As part of being citizens, we have private property rights, some of them enumerated in the Constitution. I shudder every time one of our wonderful government bodies tries to infringe on any part of those rights.

As I stated in a previous post, I only started smoking cigars last September. (Okay,I confess, I experimented with cigarettes for a couple of months when I was in junior high school.) Prior to last September, I was just as passionate about this subject as I am today.

I believe the government is very disengenuous when it declares that tobacco is such a dangerous substance but refuses then to make it illegal. The most addictive part of cigarettes is the tax money it generates for the government.

Conversely, I do not believe smokers or their heirs have the right to sue tobacco companies for the smokers illnesses, particularly anyone who started smoking after 1964. If, after 40 plus years of being told of the hazards of smoking they claim they did not know smoking was hazardous, they deserve to be removed from the gene pool.

Iowachild, you were not far from the mark quoting Niemoller. If what I learned of history is correct, those same wonderful people who brought us the Holocaust were also virulently anti-smoking (Bird, I hope I did not cross the political line.)

 

[RoyJackson]

I'm thinking about buying RayH a carton of cigarets...
Marboro be OK, Ray...?

 

[Bandybear]

Beer is cool...but what say we invite Bandybear with his stogies...step out to the front porch...sip on scotch and smoke them Ceegars?
Bring your beer with you.

We'll talk about tractors and guns...two noncontroversial subjects...

two noncontroversial subjects... I'll concede the guns, but you have a JD, shvl has a Mahindra and I have a Massey. I think we would make this thread look like a church social. Throw in a couple of them Kubota and New Holland types in and it could get down right ugly.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Robert,

As a retired police officer, I would fear the society if we chose to have a law to regulate every bit of our behavior, as I am certain every member of this board would. I would also fear a society where we chose to have no laws. But the lynchpin of our society is that we are citizens of the state and not subjects. As part of being citizens, we have private property rights, some of them enumerated in the Constitution. I shudder every time one of our wonderful government bodies tries to infringe on any part of those rights.

As I stated in a previous post, I only started smoking cigars last September. (Okay,I confess, I experimented with cigarettes for a couple of months when I was in junior high school.) Prior to last September, I was just as passionate about this subject as I am today.

I believe the government is very disengenuous when it declares that tobacco is such a dangerous substance but refuses then to make it illegal. The most addictive part of cigarettes is the tax money it generates for the government.

Conversely, I do not believe smokers or their heirs have the right to sue tobacco companies for the smokers illnesses, particularly anyone who started smoking after 1964. If, after 40 plus years of being told of the hazards of smoking they claim they did not know smoking was hazardous, they deserve to be removed from the gene pool.

Iowachild, you were not far from the mark quoting Niemoller. If what I learned of history is correct, those same wonderful people who brought us the Holocaust were also virulently anti-smoking (Bird, I hope I did not cross the political line.)

I agree with what you said, what it comes down to is what rights business owners have. These places have to be licensed and are regulated. If the majority of the people want smoking bans and the states make it a law then what is the problem? Everyone has said if you don't like something talk to someone about it. People have talked to their reps and they have made these laws. It would be reasonable to assume New York did it just because this state likes to make new laws but when you get this in Kentucky where when a baby is born part of the gift package at the hospital is his first pack of cigarettes then it is a sign society is changing and what was once considered acceptable is no longer.

The bar and restaurant owners do not have the right to decide how to run their business 100%. They must meet a lot of different codes and standards. This law is another standard now. If the owners don't like this they can close up shop to show their displeasure

But as I said at the start, these places did not lose any business because of the smoking ban and the customers who smoke now do so before and after they enter and no one complains anymore. If anything, these places are doing more business because of this ban.

I don't want a law to govern every aspect of my life but some things need to be done. I do wish there would be more laws governing tractors. Rops should be standard on all working tractors and kids should not be allowed on working machinery unless it has a cab and buddy seat. Too many people take things for granted and too many innocent people pay the price because of it. This is what some laws are designed to help with. Their not all right but some are better then none.

 

[Iowachild]

And I wonder if any of our members are old enough to remember when cigarettes were advertised as being medically good for you instead of bad for you. It's just one of the many things that the medical profession has done an about face on.

How's this Bird?

 

[RayH]

So the nice, courteous smokers motto is "if you don't like my smoke then leave". Friendly sort of folk.

Smokers say if I don't want to dine where they are dining then I have to leave. Why is it that they can't be kind enough to not smoke? It can't be because they don't realize their smoke bothers people otherwise there would be no such thing as no-smoking sections. They do it because they don't care about the other people around them.

Again, I know not all smokers are this way but the majority do not care where they light up and who is around them when they do. So I guess, if the smokers won't do the polite thing then laws have to be passed.

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BINGO !!!
Well said. Much better than Ive been doing.

 

[RayH]

Yep, Ray, I'm old enough to remember that, and you didn't hear anyone complaining about it back then either because that was before it became "fashionable" to complain about smokers. And yes, there have certainly been some discourteous smokers; not as many as the discourteous non-smokers, but definitely some.

And I wonder if any of our members are old enough to remember when cigarettes were advertised as being medically good for you instead of bad for you. It's just one of the many things that the medical profession has done an about face on.

What came first, smokers or non smokers?
For me to be "rude" and ask someone to stop smoking, what do you suppose they must be doing???
If you are rude enough to smoke in public, Im rude enough to ask you to stop. For the record, I have never asked anyone to stop smoking that wasnt already smoking. So who is rude first?