Smokin' in the boys room!

[MossRoad]

All I know is that I have NEVER been anywhere where there wasn't a ciggarette butt laying on the ground... not the Grand Canyon, not the Tetons, not Mt. Rushmore, not Devil's Tower, not the Giant Sequia's, not Cade's Cove, the Chimney Tops, the Appalachian Trail, nor the Statue of Liberty, Niagra Falls or the beach at Nagg's Head. No country road out in the middle of nowhere. Not one single place....

 

[DUMBDOG]

I don't want a law to govern every aspect of my life but some things need to be done. I do wish there would be more laws governing tractors. Rops should be standard on all working tractors and kids should not be allowed on working machinery unless it has a cab and buddy seat. Too many people take things for granted and too many innocent people pay the price because of it. This is what some laws are designed to help with. Their not all right but some are better then none.

I was driving tractor pulling a wagon with a person stacking bales on it and two people tossing the bales on the trailer before I started school at the age of five. The tractor had no Rops, no cab and no buddy seat, so the dog had to run along behind.

The laws that you wish for tractor safety, enacted would be ignored by the majority of the people just like the atv laws are.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

And that is why you keep hearing about kids getting killed on ATV's. The problem is the parents don't care about the laws and let their kids do whatever. The winery behind me was having a big celebration the other day. I saw a kid (maybe 14 years old) flying down the road on a little quad doing 50 mph tailgating a car. 5 minutes later he came back thru reving his engine tailgating another car.

There are grants available to update tractors to have Rops. People stacking wagons can stack kicker wagons which have sides and are much safer then flats (two Amish boys are in the hospital here as the hay rack they were on went into a ditch and threw them off). I know not all laws are going to be obeyed but there needs to be a crackdown much like the police do with seatbelts and speeding. Even go so far as to make people take a class to be able to operate a tractor much like Drivers ed for cars. The attitude that "it won't happen to me" is why so many farmers or their family members get killed or seriously injured every year. Why is it that the commercial farms can afford to protect their workers by using safe equipment but these farmers won't protect their family by doing the same.

 

[RoyJackson]

Wow, we're up to 13 pages.
Peace and harmony still prevail.
And....it's hardly gone off topic more then 6 or 8 times.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Wonder how they came to that conclusion. When my wife was working the ICU, some of her coworkers were smokers, they were paid the same amount of hours as the non smokers although at least once each hour, they went to their hiding place to find their purse and get their cigaretts and lighter and walk down the hall, around the corner, down another hall and then outside to smoke, come back inside, down the hall, around the corner, down another hall, put their cigaretts and lighter away, put their purse away, get back up to speed as to what was going on, at least 20 minutes wasted, multiply that by how many smokers. Do you think the non smokers could get away with just sitting in a chair till the smokers return from their break? I can't see how the smokers are more productive.

As a follow-up to this, the owner of the company I work for has enacted a policy regarding smoking and/or drinking coffee on the job. 99% of the field work, and large portion of the administrative end of our business requires TWO HANDS and a functioning brain to perform. A cigarette and/or a cup of coffee occupies one hand. (or TWO in the case of those who like BOTH at the same time....can you say REPULSIVE?) Anyone who wants to smoke (or drink coffee) on the job while working can do so, but they must document their time, and then donate 1/2 their hourly wage X time spent smoking/drinking (or pro rated portion of salary) to one of 5 charities. Each employee chooses one of the 5. You become part of a team for your charity. Each team can "bust" a smoker or coffee drinker who hasn't signed in on the smoke/coffee log sheet. That team gets the "fine" for their charity. Those why refuse to partake in the program are not eligable for end of the year bonus's.

Each individual still has their choice of smoking or not, drinking coffee or not. But when they decide to do so on someone elses dime, it becomes THEIR dime, which then becomes someone elses dime.

Ash trays all but disappeared in the office and the coffee pot has cobwebs on it since. Let smoking cost the employee out of pocket like it does the employer and the game takes on a whole new perspective.

Breaks are allowed at designated times, in the breakroom, at no "cost" to the employee.

Water is excluded from penalties. Soft drinks are included with coffee.

The idea that smokers are more productive employees is the absolute most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. SOME "better employees" might be smokers, but the broad generalization of smokers being more productive employees is the most preposterous claim I've ever heard on the internet. And that covers a LOT of looney claims.

And on a further note, so far, no rules enacted regarding the "functioning brain" requirement. There'd be a few VERY well endowed charities should that occur.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Wow, we're up to 13 pages.
Peace and harmony still prevail.
And....it's hardly gone off topic more then 6 or 8 times.

But look at the bright side Roy. Not once have we mentioned hydro vs. gear, synthetic vs. dino, or which "color" is best.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em....just not around me!

(By the way, WHAT WAS THE TOPIC?)

 

[hazmat]

I live in NH and am a non-smoker. I have always patronized restaurants that were/are non-smoking. I used to laugh at the chain Applebee type restaurants. Bar in the center - dining around the perimeter. Bar is smoking, dining is non-smoking. Bar and dining areas seperated by a half-wall. Of course the smoke knew it was supposed to stay at the bar and not waif over to me. Actually the smoke did come over. So I don't go to that style restaurant.

And that is the way it should be. They are free to have smoking or not I and I can choose to eat there or not. In the "Live Free or Die" state I don't need the gov't being my mommie. I can make these decisions myself. It was a sore day for NH when this law got passed.

Oh well - At least we don't have a seat belt law.

Phil

Won't be long now...

NH Bedrock is listing Left (Boston Globe)

For the record - the article blames imports from NY, CT & NJ, not MA for the Bluing of the state.

 

[scott_vt]

or which "color" is best.

Mornin Bill,
Ahhh, that would be RED

To make it legal, I still smoke my occassional cigar, as long its not in my wifes' house

 

[Unclebuck257]

I understand that your point is that non smokers feel superior. I agree, and with good reason, we are. Theres nothing superior or even equal about smokers (in the context of having a nasty, dirty, unheathly, expensive habit that serves no purpose except to bother others).

With that great attitude of yours, I'd just love to have a non-smoker like you sit by me and ask me to put out my cigarette. You and I would REALLY get along well!!! I'd even blow a few EXTRA LARGE puffs of smoke your way!!! Been there, done that!! ROTFLMBO!!

 

[MossRoad]

With that great attitude of yours, I'd just love to have a non-smoker like you sit by me and ask me to put out my cigarette. You and I would REALLY get along well!!! I'd even blow a few EXTRA LARGE puffs of smoke your way!!! Been there, done that!! ROTFLMBO!!

You'd probably smoke if you were pregnant, too.