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   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #521  
Well supported???????? opinion. Hard to dispute your facts.
Energy Dept. Reports: U.S. Wind Energy Production and Manufacturing Reaches Record Highs | Department of Energy
The Energy Department released two new reports today showcasing record growth across the U.S. wind market -- increasing America's share of clean, renewable energy and supporting tens of thousands of jobs nationwide. According to these reports, the United States continues to be one of the world's largest and fastest growing wind markets. In 2012, wind energy became the number one source of new U.S. electricity generation capacity for the first time representing 43 percent of all new electric additions and accounting for $25 billion in U.S. investment.

Last year, over 13 gigawatts (GW) of new wind power capacity were added to the U.S. grid nearly double the wind capacity deployed in 2011. This tremendous growth helped America's total wind power capacity surpass 60 GW at the end of 2012 representing enough capacity to power more than 15 million homes each year, or as many homes as in California and Washington state combined.

American wind power reaches major power generation milestones in 2013

At the same time, the proportion of wind turbine components such as towers, blades, and gears made in America has increased dramatically. The report estimates seventy-two percent of the wind turbine equipment installed in the U.S. last year was made by domestic manufacturers, nearly tripling from 25 percent in 2006-2007.



The geographic diversity and abundance of American wind installations is a reflection of the United States' strong wind resource. In a 2010 study, the National Renewable Energy Laboratory reported over 10 million MW of wind resource in the U.S., enough to power the equivalent of the nation's total electricity needs 10 times over.
The wind energy industry started 2014 with a record 12,000 MW of wind project capacity under construction and will deliver even more clean and affordable energy to our nation's electricity generation portfolio.

Renewables Provide 88 Percent of New US Electrical Generating Capacity in May 2014

You must have an unorthodox definition of dead?:confused2:

Wind Farm Bird Deaths vs Fossil Fuel & Nuclear Power Bird Deaths | CleanTechnica

November 26th, 2013 by Zachary Shahan

This article was jointly written by one of CleanTechnic's readers and Zachary Shahan.

It痴 a shame when a beautiful (or even an ugly) animal dies. It痴 a shame that wind turbines do indeed kill birds. However, every source of electricity we have kills some number of birds. And while solar panels may fare better than anything else, it痴 actually clear (and uplifting) that wind turbines fare better than nuclear or fossil-fueled power plants on this front.

Here痴 some info on bird kills per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity produced:

Wind farms kill roughly 0.27 birds per GWh.
Nuclear plants kill about 0.6 birds per GWh. (2.2x wind)
Fossil-fueled power stations kill about 9.4 birds per GWh. (34.8x wind)



Its so easy to use Google to get a few facts. (or at least present information that can be accepted or challenged) Opinions are ok but they carry almost no weight in a dispute no matter how strongly you believe.

Loren

Without the subsidies, grants, tax breaks, raised utility and carbon credit trading. You would not see any commercial wind turbines. It's an artificial market that will collapse like it has in several European countries.
Ever look at the price per Kw where green energy is on the grid?
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #522  
I didn't say I never heard them. I spoke of that day with the speed and direction at the time. I can hear large trucks from the State Highway nearly 2 miles away at times so therefore???????? My hearing is actually pretty good for an old fart. No one here has claimed that wind could/should produce all of our power and a projected optimal percent has been noted.

Your conclusion that wind/solar can't be useful due to the intermittent nature of the wind/sunshine is a poor conclusion. Many nations and individuals would take exception.

Loren

I work in the electrical utility sector. The varying output, surges, harmonics and lack of reliability wreaks havoc with the electrical grid and generation.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #523  
Agreed. I apologize if you are some how offended. My main point is the only reason to buy electric and tether yourself to a electric short cord and haul batteries around, is that most believe they are some how using less fuel than others and there by decreasing their carbon foot print. They care nothing about handling, performance, comfort, safety, they sacrifice all to make a statement that is not true and will never effect the climate of the world, ever! On top of all that their carbon foot print is actually more, and they paid more. HS

Most EV proponents can only see a gasoline pump. They have no idea where electricity comes from. No idea of EV production costs. No idea how toxic batteries and electronics are to manufacture. They have no idea about overall cost and energy per mile all factors considered. All they can see is the price per Kw and the price per gallon.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #524  
Most EV proponents can only see a gasoline pump. They have no idea where electricity comes from. No idea of EV production costs. No idea how toxic batteries and electronics are to manufacture. They have no idea about overall cost and energy per mile all factors considered. All they can see is the price per Kw and the price per gallon.

This thread has taken a downward turn.
Your last few posts raise some good points, but I think you underestimate the intelligence of those with opposing viewpoints. At least some of them are putting their money where their mouths are and support new technology with their wallet... 120 years ago others did the same when they bought cars instead of horses.

I found this Harley Davidson Electric Motorcycle Prototype | FOX2now.com
to be rather entertaining... from a true icon of the 20th century.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #525  
This thread has taken a downward turn.
Your last few posts raise some good points, but I think you underestimate the intelligence of those with opposing viewpoints. At least some of them are putting their money where their mouths are and support new technology with their wallet... 120 years ago others did the same when they bought cars instead of horses.

I found this Harley Davidson Electric Motorcycle Prototype | FOX2now.com
to be rather entertaining... from a true icon of the 20th century.

53 miles range sounds kinda short to be crossing the country. They must have some kind of support vehicle. I wonder what the recharge time is?
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #526  
53 miles range sounds kinda short to be crossing the country. They must have some kind of support vehicle. I wonder what the recharge time is?
They must have some sponsors also... or a really, REALLY good trust fund. :D
I dunno, just thought it was a lot more fun and interesting than the stale arguments which every third thread here eventually reverts to.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #527  
P.S.... My first guess would be a big van following... with a diesel generator... and a long freaking extension cord! :laughing:
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #528  
Without the subsidies, grants, tax breaks, raised utility and carbon credit trading. You would not see any commercial wind turbines. It's an artificial market that will collapse like it has in several European countries.
Ever look at the price per Kw where green energy is on the grid?

Your assertion has been noted a number of time earliers. Consider the subsidies for fossil fuel and nuclear industries also along with all of the costs from pollution including health costs and environmental damage. Add in the cost of proper care for hundreds of years for all the currently on site nuclear waste. Put a dollar amount on all of this and do a comparison.

Fossil Fuels Vs Clean Energy: State-By-State Exposé | CleanTechnica

May 26th, 2014 by Tina Casey

A new report called “Attacks on Renewable Energy Policy by Fossil Fuel Interests 2013-2014″ contains a detailed rundown of the money trail behind the fossil fuels vs clean energy battle. That’s not exactly new news to those of you following clean tech legislation, but before you file this away under D for Dog bites man, consider that the report was generated by the Energy & Policy Institute.

The Energy & Policy Institute (EPI) is the same outfit that produced “ALEC Exposed” and “Manufacturing Doubt,” which among other projects gives it a solid track record for following the money from lobbying organizations to the impact on federal legislation. The latest report digs deep into the emerging threat to clean energy policy on the state level.

I think Europe might not be in agreement:
European Industrial Initiative on wind energy | SETIS - European Commission

Wind Energy Blows Away Records Across Europe, Driving Emissions and Electricity Prices Down - Blog - Into the Wind
WIND ENERGY BLOWS AWAY RECORDS ACROSS EUROPE, DRIVING EMISSIONS AND ELECTRICITY PRICES DOWN
15 January 2014 by Michael Goggin Michael Goggin
The data is in, and 2013 went out with a bang as wind energy output soared to new records across Europe. Electricity prices and air pollution dropped as wind energy drastically reduced fossil fuel use during high winter energy demand. Ireland, Denmark, Spain, Portugal, Germany, and the UK all saw noteworthy wind output records broken with no electric reliability problems. Below, we summarize the news that has just broken.

Its so easy to do a little research to give opinions some support.

Loren
 
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   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #529  
Your assertion has been noted a number of time earliers. Consider the subsidies for fossil fuel and nuclear industries also along with all of the costs from pollution including health costs and environmental damage. Add in the cost of proper care for hundreds of years for all the currently on site nuclear waste. Put a dollar amount on all of this and do a comparison. Fossil Fuels Vs Clean Energy: State-By-State Exposé | CleanTechnica May 26th, 2014 by Tina Casey A new report called “Attacks on Renewable Energy Policy by Fossil Fuel Interests 2013-2014″ contains a detailed rundown of the money trail behind the fossil fuels vs clean energy battle. That’s not exactly new news to those of you following clean tech legislation, but before you file this away under D for Dog bites man, consider that the report was generated by the Energy & Policy Institute. The Energy & Policy Institute (EPI) is the same outfit that produced “ALEC Exposed” and “Manufacturing Doubt,” which among other projects gives it a solid track record for following the money from lobbying organizations to the impact on federal legislation. The latest report digs deep into the emerging threat to clean energy policy on the state level. I think Europe might not be in agreement: European Industrial Initiative on wind energy | SETIS - European Commission Wind Energy Blows Away Records Across Europe, Driving Emissions and Electricity Prices Down - Blog - Into the Wind WIND ENERGY BLOWS AWAY RECORDS ACROSS EUROPE, DRIVING EMISSIONS AND ELECTRICITY PRICES DOWN 15 January 2014 by Michael Goggin Michael Goggin The data is in, and 2013 went out with a bang as wind energy output soared to new records across Europe. Electricity prices and air pollution dropped as wind energy drastically reduced fossil fuel use during high winter energy demand. Ireland, Denmark, Spain, Portugal, Germany, and the UK all saw noteworthy wind output records broken with no electric reliability problems. Below, we summarize the news that has just broken. Its so easy to do a little research to give opinions some support. Loren
You are trying to make the case for an energy source that struggles to produce 1% of the power, to power all 100%, if only it would just be embraced. That's laughable, flat earth stuff, tin foil hat stupid. HS
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #530  
The simple fact about solar and wind are you cannot turn up the power. On a calm hot day when many turn up the air conditioners the power companies need to produce more electricity....cannot because the wind is not available. When night arrives solar shuts down totally so zero electric from dusk till dawn. Would it not be a better use of money to explore ways of using coal, oil and natural gas that would reduce emissions instead of wasting time and money on wind and solar?
 
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