So much for a Nissan Leaf!

[DarkBlack]

Loren, don't mind that guy. I enjoyed your post as is. DB has a habit of being annoying.

Yes I agree.
When your agenda is to intentionally ignore counter views regarding a "for profit" current machine design that costs more, uses tax payer money to subsidize, falsely claims zero emissions, will cause more environmental damage on a wide scale implementation.....YUP. as a voice of reality I guess reality facts can be annoying.

 

[buickanddeere]

For those of you terrified of radiation. 5 rem or 50mSv is the legal yearly max dose for a radiation worker. If somebody sat on a 200yr old used fuel bundle while they ate their lunch. Or had a heart CAT Scan, the radiation dose would be less than half of the yearly safe max .
Used fuel "Radioactive and dangerous for 100,000's of years". Just a bunch of lying self serving rogues in Green Peace.

 

[cqaigy2]

Yes I agree.
When your agenda is to intentionally ignore counter views regarding a "for profit" current machine design that costs more, uses tax payer money to subsidize, falsely claims zero emissions, will cause more environmental damage on a wide scale implementation.....YUP. as a voice of reality I guess reality facts can be annoying.

Now for the facts...

 

[Loren49]

While I tend to agree with both of ya'll on various aspects, one thing I think we can agree on is evolving technology..
How many years did it take for the gas engine to evolve into what we have today? Imagine if EV technology had just half that time in general population usage..

B&D: Certainly there where those that rode horse and pony's that defied the horseless carriage!

Loren: I think you'll need nukes to power a US EV infrastructure... simply because even with evolving technology in wind and solar generation, fission is generation on steroids..

Tollster: I feel nuclear will continue to be used whether or not EVs become widespread. Solar and wind can reasonably produce a portion of our demand for various reasons at this point in time. Nuclear has some troubling aspects..true cost from construction to decommissioning and fuel acquisition to spent fuel safety.
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Nuclear's CO2 cost 'will climb'
The case for nuclear power as a low carbon energy source to replace fossil fuels has been challenged in a new report by Australian academics.
It suggests greenhouse emissions from the mining of uranium - on which nuclear power relies - are on the rise.
Availability of high-grade uranium ore is set to decline with time, it says, making the fuel less environmentally friendly and more costly to extract.
The findings appear in the journal Environmental Science & Technologyhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_nuclear_powerhttp://econet.ca/issues/mining/green_alt.html

The tough part is getting a complete picture of all costs of a given power source

Loren

 

[Loren49]

For those of you terrified of radiation. 5 rem or 50mSv is the legal yearly max dose for a radiation worker. If somebody sat on a 200yr old used fuel bundle while they ate their lunch. Or had a heart CAT Scan, the radiation dose would be less than half of the yearly safe max .
Used fuel "Radioactive and dangerous for 100,000's of years". Just a bunch of lying self serving rogues in Green Peace.

Radioactive wasteHigh-level - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia waste is full of highly radioactive fission products, most of which are relatively short-lived. This is a concern since if the waste is stored, perhaps in deep geological storage, over many years the fission products decay, decreasing the radioactivity of the waste and making the plutonium easier to access. The undesirable contaminant Pu-240 decays faster than the Pu-239, and thus the quality of the bomb material increases with time (although its quantity decreases during that time as well). Thus, some have argued, as time passes, these deep storage areas have the potential to become "plutonium mines", from which material for nuclear weapons can be acquired with relatively little difficulty. Critics of the latter idea point out that the half-life of Pu-240 is 6,560 years and Pu-239 is 24,110 years, and thus the relative enrichment of one isotope to the other with time occurs with a half-life of 9,000 years (that is, it takes 9000 years for the fraction of Pu-240 in a sample of mixed plutonium isotopes, to spontaneously decrease by half—a typical enrichment needed to turn reactor-grade into weapons-grade Pu). Thus "weapons grade plutonium mines" would be a problem for the very far future (>9,000 years from now), so that there remains a great deal of time for technology to advance to solve it.[citation needed]

Pu-239 decays to U-235 which is suitable for weapons and which has a very long half-life (roughly 109 years). Thus plutonium may decay and leave uranium-235. However, modern reactors are only moderately enriched with U-235 relative to U-238, so the U-238 continues to serve as a denaturation agent for any U-235 produced by plutonium decay.

Loren

 

[sseelhoff]

Tesla Motors, Inc. Wants to Annihilate Range Anxiety (TSLA)

The fastest-growing charging network on the planet
Not only is Tesla's network of Superchargers the fastest-growing charging network on the planet, but it is also now the largest fast-charging network on the planet, period.

Just how big is the network? It now enables owners of Tesla vehicles to travel the entire width of the U.S., and up and down the West and East coasts. By the end of next year Tesla says that there will be a charging station within 100 miles of 98% of the population, giving almost any Model S owner in the U.S. the ability to travel long distances using Superchargers only. Best of all, supercharging is free for life for Model S owners.

Shortly after Tesla opened up its patents for peers to use "in good faith," it got together with Nissan and BMW to discusses a new level of collaboration on charging networks, the Financial Times reported.

A major technological shift is happening in the automotive industry. Most people are skeptical about its impact. Warren Buffett isn't one of them. He recently called it a "real threat" to one of his favorite businesses. An executive at Ford called the technology "fantastic."

 

[houstonscott]

EV has a long way to go to become competitive. You see we already have high performance cars that have ranges approaching 800 miles, the fuel source (diesel) weighs under 120lbs full, less as fuel is burned, takes up less space inside the vehicle. Is not extremely dangerous in an accident. Takes under five minutes to refuel from empty, and fuel is available everywhere. EV has a big hurtle to jump, it has to beat all that, and be cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate, and pollute less, to make it in the market. Right now it's a fad car, second or third vehicle, but for most Americans a front line car that has to do many duties, the SUV or PU truck remains top. HS

 

[Loren49]

EV has a long way to go to become competitive. You see we already have high performance cars that have ranges approaching 800 miles, the fuel source (diesel) weighs under 120lbs full, less as fuel is burned, takes up less space inside the vehicle. Is not extremely dangerous in an accident. Takes under five minutes to refuel from empty, and fuel is available everywhere. EV has a big hurtle to jump, it has to beat all that, and be cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate, and pollute less, to make it in the market. Right now it's a fad car, second or third vehicle, but for most Americans a front line car that has to do many duties, the SUV or PU truck remains top. HS

Pickup 18% / SUV 12% of sales. Research not opinion:
US Vehicle Registration Data & Statistics | Hedges & Company | United States Car, Motorycle and Light Truck Stats
Motor vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Primary use of vehicle is to transport one or two people. Doesn't require 5000 lb vehicle with 300 HP....that's a choice!

Loren

 

[houstonscott]

Pickup 18% / SUV 12% of sales. Research not opinion: US Vehicle Registration Data & Statistics | Hedges & Company | United States Car, Motorycle and Light Truck Stats Motor vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Primary use of vehicle is to transport one or two people. Doesn't require 5000 lb vehicle with 300 HP....that's a choice! Loren

The most sold vehicle in USA is an Ford F series truck. Yeah, I like choice, not someone like "you" deciding what I can buy, in the end it always comes out with your types. None of your business what I require, and deciding primary use for me. HS

 

[ultrarunner]

You make a great point... and almost verbatim what I heard from a Tesla owner...