So much for a Nissan Leaf!

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I wished I could find the article. There was a liberal politician recently who was shamed and shunned by his party for privately attending. A meeting that questioned global warming.

Reminds me of an old joke-how can you tell a Baptist in a liquor store?

They're the ones that won't say hello.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #622  
What's wrong with big oil? They have always produced a great product at a far price, I can fill up anywhere anytime and it works. I don't trust anyone else to provide MY fuel. I like big oil, big oil is Americans. Big oil good, big government bad. HS

I just felt like trolling to see what bit, you never fail to take the bait...well done..
 
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Wall Street Big Shot Tells Elon Musk To Stop Making Cars

Tesla CEO Elon Musk should get out of the car business, according to one Wall Street big shot.

DoubleLine Capital founder Jeff Gundlach, considered one of the most influential people in the bond market, said the billionaire entrepreneur should focus on building the battery systems that power his luxury electric vehicles.

Loren
 
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Wall Street Big Shot Tells Elon Musk To Stop Making Cars Tesla CEO Elon Musk should get out of the car business, according to one Wall Street big shot. DoubleLine Capital founder Jeff Gundlach, considered one of the most influential people in the bond market, said the billionaire entrepreneur should focus on building the battery systems that power his luxury electric vehicles. Loren
That's because electric cars are a loser. HS
 
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Reminds me of an old joke-how can you tell a Baptist in a liquor store?

They're the ones that won't say hello.

The long version is " How do you tell a Methodist from a Baptist ? The Methodist won't say hello back to you in the liquor store."
 
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Wall Street Big Shot Tells Elon Musk To Stop Making Cars

Tesla CEO Elon Musk should get out of the car business, according to one Wall Street big shot.

DoubleLine Capital founder Jeff Gundlach, considered one of the most influential people in the bond market, said the billionaire entrepreneur should focus on building the battery systems that power his luxury electric vehicles.

Loren

Today Tesla lost it's first of several Lemon Law (law suits) on their cars, the company tried to claim the owner had "messed" with it and caused the problems himself... This was off of the TV stock shows I watch, so have not looked into the full details on-line.

Seems to me more and more issues around the Tesla Cars are coming out so might be more issues that the green segment wants to bury out of sight & sound... As I have said in several posts Electric Cars are ok for a niche market. Someone who is a city dweller who stays in town & only drives a few miles a day/week. They are NOT for someone who lives in Rural America drives lots of miles daily, or makes multiple start/stops (small trips) on a regular basis. Then toss in the COLD weather much of the country has 1/3 of the year just keeping occupants warm in mid winter is too taxing on batteries when power is needed at worst temperature based performance of battery systems.

Mark
 
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For those who have faith in the "97% of climate scientists believe global warming..." I suggest you consider this:
Global warming is not settled science: Guest opinion | OregonLive.com
Points out that there is a big difference between "basic science" and "consensus science" and that the consensus has often been wrong--which gets the deniers Nobel prizes. Real science, basic science, welcomes those who question things because they force weaknesses to be tested, if the hypothesis is then verified it strengthens the argument. Consensus "science" attacks those who question the hypothesis because their belief can not be tested and proven so they can only argue based on faith. In the case of climate science, they rely heavily on models and can't test their hypotheses. We'll only know for sure in a few decades.

From your reference:

Global warming is not settled science: Guest opinion

Daniel Nebert, MD, is professor emeritus at the Cincinnati College of Medicine and Cincinnati Children's Hospital. He lives in Wilsonville.

...Medical doctor uses comparison of how an accepted medical treatment changed over the years to conclude that consensus in science can change. With that logic we can question anything and chose to ignore any currently accepted science.

Loren
 
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No, real science is based on questioning the hypothesis and testing until no other questions are left. Even then the accepted notions can be wrong and a more accurate answer comes about when new discoveries come about. Climate science still has a lot of questions that can't be tested and models are not tests. In the '70's there was the "Population Bomb" a best seller that predicted widespread wars due to food shortages, asserting that the world couldn't produce enough food to support it's population. It was based on modeling. It failed to foresee the green revolution which was already underway when the book was published. We now have more food per person than we did when the book was written. About the same time there was "The Limits to Growth" another model based book that predicted we would run out of essential resources long before 2014. Hasn't happened.

Models are like the model airplanes I built when I was a kid. They may look like the real thing but they aren't the real thing.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #629  
Today Tesla lost it's first of several Lemon Law (law suits) on their cars, the company tried to claim the owner had "messed" with it and caused the problems himself... This was off of the TV stock shows I watch, so have not looked into the full details on-line.

Seems to me more and more issues around the Tesla Cars are coming out so might be more issues that the green segment wants to bury out of sight & sound... As I have said in several posts Electric Cars are ok for a niche market. Someone who is a city dweller who stays in town & only drives a few miles a day/week. They are NOT for someone who lives in Rural America drives lots of miles daily, or makes multiple start/stops (small trips) on a regular basis. Then toss in the COLD weather much of the country has 1/3 of the year just keeping occupants warm in mid winter is too taxing on batteries when power is needed at worst temperature based performance of battery systems.

Mark

That's surprising because Lemon Law cases in California go through Alternative Dispute Resolution where the decision is not public.

I've heard many cases of a substantial defect being alleged that effects use, value or safety.

Don't know of a single manufacturer without Lemon Law experience.

Sometimes it is as simply as 3 unsuccessful repair attempts as the trigger.

Most often Lemon Law buybacks will find their way to a dealers lot with a disclaimer it was a buyback...
 
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