Stuck Again

[Kendrick]

I agree with Dav, use a hydro one electric would not be good one a unit like that.

 

[Renze]

Warn advises the winch capacity to be 1.5 times the weight of the vehicle.
Electric winches loose capacit fast if the battery runs low.
A Warn M8000 will toast a 25 hp tractor battery.
Last week we finished a car hauler body on a 12 ton truck, with hydraulic upper deck and, since the oil pump was already installed for the 2nd floor, also a hydraulic winch.
I love the truck PTO pump, it runs so much better than any of the 12 or 24V electric winches and electric hydro units we normally use on lighter stuff.

 

[the6shooter]

Hey guy's the winch was just a thought.
but posting it got some action going.
I have gotten myself out of being stuck with the FEL before, I was just in a place, that buried the corner of the brush hog. and the tractor sunk like a rock. I tried the FEL, and only made quicksand. the winch was just a thought.
thanks david

 

[jsborn]

This looks interesting and could be used from the Tractor aux hyd if your pressure is not to high.

Mile Marker - Abused Worldwide!! Hydraulic and Electric Winches

 

[Knotbored]

Several times I thought I was stuck pretty good but found my Kabota has a pedal that locks the rearend down on the floor behind the clutch. Its amazing to this amature how my lil tractor can suck itself out of mud with all wheels engaged and that pedal down.

Has anyone considered mounting a small wheel outside a rear wheel, winding a cable to that and using wheel power to tow a tractor out?-Not permanent, just bolted onto the rear tire bolt pattern if/when you are stuck?

 

[bucmeister]

I seriously doubt many trucks have an alternator that puts out more than what the winch draws under load. Most vehicle alternators likely fall in the 60-120 amp range and a 12 K winch would likely draw double that when under a hard pull. So why doesn't every truck with a winch have repeat altenator failures almost every time the winch is used?

 

[RonMar]

Several times I thought I was stuck pretty good but found my Kabota has a pedal that locks the rearend down on the floor behind the clutch. Its amazing to this amature how my lil tractor can suck itself out of mud with all wheels engaged and that pedal down.

Has anyone considered mounting a small wheel outside a rear wheel, winding a cable to that and using wheel power to tow a tractor out?-Not permanent, just bolted onto the rear tire bolt pattern if/when you are stuck?

You can achieve the same thing by passing a chain/cable thru the wheel and attaching it to itself right in the middle of the tire tread. Run the free end back to an anchor point and take out as much slack as you can The chain will be pulled down into the mud, but as it comes under tension, the wheel will back right up the chain. This of course requires a locking rear differential, or you need to do it to both wheels at the same time.

This method and a second dually rim bolted to the wheel, both have the same limitation, they need an anchor point pretty much directly behind the tractor wheel.

 

[RonMar]

I seriously doubt many trucks have an alternator that puts out more than what the winch draws under load. Most vehicle alternators likely fall in the 60-120 amp range and a 12 K winch would likely draw double that when under a hard pull. So why doesn't every truck with a winch have repeat altenator failures almost every time the winch is used?

You are correct, I don't know of any stock vehicle alternator that will meet the demands of a winch under heavy load. Any alternator in this situation gets a workout. But an alterntor designed to put out 100 amps is designed to dissipatemore heat, deal with a lot more current and will fare better than an alternator designed to put out 20A. I think I used a 200 amp load for 5 minutes in my last example, lets tripple it. A 600 amp load for 5 minutes is 50 amp hours. A hundred amp alternator would make that up in 1/2 hour...

 

[MarEng]

Similar to JSTPSSNG, practice with that FEL. I can count on one hand the # of times I haven't been able to 'walk-out' with the FEL, the Diff Lock and differential braking. In those cases where I couldn't at first walk-out, I either had to drop the implement - I was able to then lift it clear or drag it clear with a chain and re-attach - or wait a day (quicksand) and then walk-out. I have on a few occassions had to put some 4x4s under the FEL edge to give me more lift area and keep the bucket from sinking in. In slimy, slick clay a bale of hay helps get some traction.

The secret (learned the hard way) is to recognize you're stuck early, before the mud is over the axles and abandon the load in the FEL or on the 3-pt and start extracting yourself.

 

[MJPetersen]

The secret (learned the hard way) is to recognize you're stuck early, before the mud is over the axles and abandon the load in the FEL or on the 3-pt and start extracting yourself.

That is well said and so true.

Mike

 

[chucko]

If I had a winch with 120 foot of cable I would get stuck 121' from the nearest tree

 

[schmism]

If I had a winch with 120 foot of cable I would get stuck 121' from the nearest tree

hate to spoil it for ya, but there is no such thing as "no ancor point" .....

Pull-Pal winch anchoring device - 4x4, welders, Jeep, ATV, all-terrain-vehicle, military, D.O.D., Department of Defense

 

[schmism]

I seriously doubt many trucks have an alternator that puts out more than what the winch draws under load. Most vehicle alternators likely fall in the 60-120 amp range and a 12 K winch would likely draw double that when under a hard pull. So why doesn't every truck with a winch have repeat altenator failures almost every time the winch is used?

Ah you can always tell those that dont do real "off-road 4wheeling"

most rigs that are serious about useing there winch will have a 200+ amp alternator
Alternators - Premier Power Welder high-amperage alternator specs

combined with 2 or 3 optima yellow top batteries... (just one of the many dual bat writeups)
Hellroaring Battery Isolator/Combiner notes for 4 Wheel Drive dual battery applications

This allows you to run a winch for 3-5 min continous which is about all the winch motors are rated at anyway before you start to burn them up.

 

[sandman2234]

I don't do "off roading" but have been stuck as many times as some of those that do, and often have to pull them out. Spent many nights out watching idiots take their new or only vehicle out to play in the mud, break it and have no way to get to work. I preferred to ride around on my Honda Odyssey while watching them and if I broke it, I could load it on my p/u and head home.
I don't think my tractor needs to be set up for off roading with all the appropriate gear that goes with it. Most of the time a winch on a tractor is just front end weight and anyone using it much needs to examine what they are doing and how. My 6 ton comalong is a pain to use, heavy and hard to carry out to where I got stuck, along with enough chains to reach the nearest large tree, but usually by the time I move the tractor a foot, it has enough new dirt to allow it to continue on it's own. If I had an operator to drive it while I ran the comalong, it would make it easier.
David from jax

 

[MarcusCarr]

I would skip the winch all together.

grab a 6" dia or so log that is about 2 feet longer than the diameter of your rear tire, put the log beside the tire at axle height with 12" past each side of the tire, run a chain through the wheel and around the log. Put the tractor in low reverse and you can drive out of anything. The tire turns, tightens the chain on the log, turns the log and acts as a stilt.

You already have a powerful winch...your rear axle.

BIG WARNING...you need to back up when you do this.

If you have to go forward, be careful. If the log is long enough it will flip the tractor backwards.

Marcus

PS. I realize this is an old post, but this method has saved me a lot of money. Didn't have to call someone out to tow me =]

 

[daBear]

I got tired of getting stuck in my Kubota L2800 so I welded a 2x2 receiver on the front brush guard and I use either a Warn Works 3700 # which works great, or a Champion 7500# which I use to pull trees over. Never will I ever be stuck again. Both winches are mounted on a steel plate with a 2x2 hitch for the receiver. I can use it on the front of the tractor, rear of the tractor or the rear of my truck. No problem so far with amp draw as I used fork lift 350 amp connectors and wire it directly to the battery. I will post some pictures if anyone likes.

 

[tnau664]

Yes PICS. You'll find we always like pics.

Terry

 

[Rara Avis]

You just get your other tractor... ...with the...
Logging Winch
Choice of two models of log skids with winch which can be used to winch out logs that you can't get to with the grapple, and/or to drag out several logs at a time over longer distances. The skidding wenches come with 165 ft. of 3/8 inch cable and 165 ft. of 1/2 inch cable with a 8000 lb. and 12,000 lb. capacity for the models FX12000 and FX8000 respectively.

 

[sandman2234]

The perfect answer! Go buy another tractor, so when you get one stuck, you pull it out with the other one!
David from jax

 

[czechsonofagun]

I would skip the winch all together.

grab a 6" dia or so log that is about 2 feet longer than the diameter of your rear tire, put the log beside the tire at axle height with 12" past each side of the tire, run a chain through the wheel and around the log. Put the tractor in low reverse and you can drive out of anything. The tire turns, tightens the chain on the log, turns the log and acts as a stilt.

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hahaha, yis thats what they taught us in the czechoslovakia army. I was a tank technical officer during my mandatory one year service. The tank carries special bracket to get the log attached to catterpillars. You screw on the log, drag it under the tank, take it off, bring it to the back and keep doing it till ... till the tank is sunk all the way to the top of the tower. After that,you call the rescue tank (T55 with a winch in the place of turret) and that thing would move the moon if you hooked it to it. And after this adventure you will spent at least 5 days cleaning that d@mn tank.