Buying Advice sub compact tractor

[Don87]

Max 22
Max 25Max 28XL

1816
2216
2516

All listed on their website under
"Sub & Mid-compact tractors"

Mahindra is falsely advertising the Max series as 'subcompact'. The Mahindra Max is a CUT.

Look up the specs of the Kubota 2630, and compare that to the Max 22 or 25. The Kubota is a CUT( Comact Utility Tractor).


EDIT: I just looked up the specs of the Mahindra 1816, and the 2216. Those also fall into the CUT range.

Mahindra does not make a Subcompact.

 

[Gary Fowler]

As discussed heavily in the Mahindra /Kubota comparison thread, no one has a set in stone definition of what defines a SCUT from a CUT. My definition is if it looks like a giant lawnmower with tractor tires and a 3 PH it is likely a SCUT. So far it has been up to the manufacturers to claim the category. I dont think you can go by weight as some of the SCUT are about as heavy as low end CUT as exampled by the MF GC line that are SCUT but weight wise they are nearly as heavy as the Kubota 2xxx series which Kubotas says are CUT.

 

[Gary Fowler]

Mahindra is falsely advertising the Max series as 'subcompact'. The Mahindra Max is a CUT.

Look up the specs of the Kubota 2630, and compare that to the Max 22 or 25. The Kubota is a CUT( Comact Utility Tractor).


EDIT: I just looked up the specs of the Mahindra 1816, and the 2216. Those also fall into the CUT range.

Mahindra does not make a Subcompact.

Perhaps it is not a SCUT in your opinion and yet they developed it to compete with and take sales away from the Kubota BX and MF GC lineup. I dont know what they are priced out as, but they wont have to be all that cheap to cut into these two series tractors that cost as much as a full CUT tractor. I think they are more in line with comparison to the CK 20 which is classed as a CUT but only weighs in a 1305 pounds and Kubota 2320 a@ 1356 is considered a CUT whereas a GC 2600 which is classed as a SCUT weighs 1433. So what criteria DO you use to determine the classification?

 

[Don87]

Perhaps it is not a SCUT in your opinion and yet they developed it to compete with and take sales away from the Kubota BX and MF GC lineup. I dont know what they are priced out as, but they wont have to be all that cheap to cut into these two series tractors that cost as much as a full CUT tractor. I think they are more in line with comparison to the CK 20 which is classed as a CUT but only weighs in a 1305 pounds and Kubota 2320 a@ 1356 is considered a CUT whereas a GC 2600 which is classed as a SCUT weighs 1433. So what criteria DO you use to determine the classification?

Look up the specs of the tractors in question and you will understand.

Mahindra doesn't make a subcompact.


EDIT: I just looked up the specs on the Massey 1526, compare that to Mahindra's lineup. You will see that all the Mahindra (miscategorized) "subcompacts" are more comparable to it. The 1526 is a CUT.

 

[AchingBack]

Look up the specs of the tractors in question and you will understand.

Mahindra doesn't make a subcompact.


EDIT: I just looked up the specs on the Massey 1526, compare that to Mahindra's lineup. You will see that all the Mahindra (miscategorized) "subcompacts" are more comparable to it. The 1526 is a CUT.

It is all a matter of perspective. No brand owns the definition of sub-compact, mid-compact, or compact.

 

[jenkinsph]

It is all a matter of perspective. No brand owns the definition of sub-compact, mid-compact, or compact.

I agree, most of this is BS and trivial to say the least. I would suggest a new buyer look at what fits his situation the best and not get lost in the translations between garden tractor, subcompact tractor and compact tractor.

On a more humorous note their are posters such as L Brown who have all of this figured out and claims that the subcompact is a "true tractor in its own right" whatever that means.:laughing:


I agree with Gary Fowler too, definitions are a little murky.... and meaningless.

 

[Don87]

It is all a matter of perspective. No brand owns the definition of sub-compact, mid-compact, or compact.

If you had looked up the specifications on the tractors in question, you would see that it's not a matter of perspective, it's just facts, my man.

Mahindra does not make a "subcompact"

 

[Don87]

I agree, most of this is BS and trivial to say the least. I would suggest a new buyer look at what fits his situation the best and not get lost in the translations between garden tractor, subcompact tractor and compact tractor.

On a more humorous note their are posters such as L Brown who have all of this figured out and claims that the subcompact is a "true tractor in its own right" whatever that means.:laughing:


I agree with Gary Fowler too, definitions are a little murky.... and meaningless.

Actually, they aren't murky and do mean a lot.. Read the specs on the tractors.

To have the Mahindra, compared as a subcompact.........is like comparing an F250 to a Ford Ranger.

 

[dkizerian]

Actually, they aren't murky and do mean a lot.. Read the specs on the tractors.

To have the Mahindra, compared as a subcompact.........is like comparing an F250 to a Ford Ranger.

You keep saying "read the specs" which is fine, but what specs exactly make a tractor a sub or a compact? Is it a certain hard set weight? Or a certain tire size? Or 3pt lift capability? And who decided what that is?

 

[Don87]

You keep saying "read the specs" which is fine, but what specs exactly make a tractor a sub or a compact? Is it a certain hard set weight? Or a certain tire size? Or 3pt lift capability? And who decided what that is?

I'm not sure.

Compare the specs of the Kubota B2630 to the specs of the Max 22/25..........what do you see............almost identical tractors in every way. The B2630 is a CUT, that makes the Max 22/25 a CUT sized machine.

Mahindra is comparing their Compact Utility Tractor, to the much smaller Subcompact category. Check the specs on the Kubota BX series, the Massey GC series, The John Deere 1 series, .........you'll see the difference between the 2 categories. Look at everything.......length, width, height, tire size.....as well as the mechanical specs.

Mahindra is falsly advertising their Max series..........they don't make a subcompact tractor.

 

[Mark Page]

A rotatiller puts as much load on a tractor as just about anything. I'd try and stay at 25 pto hp or above with a 4ft tiller.
A tiller will give you about the nicest soil for vegetables you could want. They do an especially good job of turning amendments into the soil. I till lime, horse manure and cow manure into my garden in the fall so it's not so "hot" in the spring.
In the spring it's easy to till again until the soil is like powder. I have a 6ft. Howard Rotavator and unlike any other implement you can feel it pull the engine down a bit. That's with a 45 hp machine. If you're lacking for power make 1 pass shallow and the second pass deeper.

 

[dkizerian]

I'm not sure.

Compare the specs of the Kubota B2630 to the specs of the Max 22/25..........what do you see............almost identical tractors in every way. The B2630 is a CUT, that makes the Max 22/25 a CUT sized machine.

Mahindra is comparing their Compact Utility Tractor, to the much smaller Subcompact category. Check the specs on the Kubota BX series, the Massey GC series, The John Deere 1 series, .........you'll see the difference between the 2 categories. Look at everything.......length, width, height, tire size.....as well as the mechanical specs.

Mahindra is falsly advertising their Max series..........they don't make a subcompact tractor.

Maybe kubota is falsely advertising their b series, and mahindra is right? I'm just trying to figure out how you can be so 100% adamant about such an arbitrary thing.

 

[AchingBack]

Problem solved, reclassify the BX series as mini-compact.

 

[CRAFTBENDER]

I have a BX24 with almost one thousand trouble free hours. I've dug french drains, water lines, dug up stumps and roots, retaining walls, driveways, used the front end loader for more things than I can count, done landscaping, mowed, and moved huge amounts of soil. It is a real pal. Highly recommended!

 

[Don87]

Maybe kubota is falsely advertising their b series, and mahindra is right? I'm just trying to figure out how you can be so 100% adamant about such an arbitrary thing.

Falsely advertising a product with the express purpose of fooling customers, or to gain market share is not an 'arbitrary thing'

 

[kootch88]

If something is not definitively defined, then it i,s by definition, arbitrary Don. Until you show us industry agreed upon specs that are written down, your quest to slay Mahindra seems a huge waste of ink. It is what it is, your opinion, which is rather arbitrary.

 

[Don87]

If something is not definitively defined, then it i,s by definition, arbitrary Don. Until you show us industry agreed upon specs that are written down, your quest to slay Mahindra seems a huge waste of ink. It is what it is, your opinion, which is rather arbitrary.

With all due respect sir............if you look at the specifications for all the other subcompacts, you will see there is an 'industry standard', and further, if you use that computer of yours for research, instead of arguing with the facts, you would find plenty of subcompact vs. compact utility information out there.

And even further, if you would have compared the specs of the Max series to the specs of the B series Kubota, or the 1500 series Massey, or the other comact utility tractors out there..........you never would have posted what you did.


Mahindra does not make a subcompact tractor.

 

[kootch88]

I have done just that Don, just because you are adamant in your opinion does not make it valid. Once again I ask you, show me where there is an industry STANDARD to go by that is clearly defined, not what different manufacturers define something as.

So get your little fingers hopping and email me a link with a definitive STANDARD please, otherwise, your continued rants are just that, rants.

If you can show me the definition of a SCUT or CUT then I will happily slink away in my corner, which, if you can't find this definitive definition, you should do the same.

 

[Don87]

I have done just that Don, just because you are adamant in your opinion does not make it valid. Once again I ask you, show me where there is an industry STANDARD to go by that is clearly defined, not what different manufacturers define something as.

So get your little fingers hopping and email me a link with a definitive STANDARD please, otherwise, your continued rants are just that, rants.

If you can show me the definition of a SCUT or CUT then I will happily slink away in my corner, which, if you can't find this definitive definition, you should do the same.

Sorry if you don't have the capacity to understand what is put in front of you. Mahindra is falsely advertising the Max series as a subcompact.

Mahindra does not make a subcomact tractor.

 

[kootch88]

Sorry Don, I don't see you putting anything in front of anyone, other than your OPINION and if something factual was there, I suspect you would do so. Find your corner please.

By the way, I actually looked at the Kubota line in person, because I really like their tractors, but there wasn't the right fit for me.