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LBrown59
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By the time you pay for the BH and sub frame an finance charges you just might be ahead to swap the bx2350 for a new bx24 and save a lot of hassle and you might/could be getting a new tractor and bh for about the same cost of just adding a bh to the bx2350.Zunnie17 said:
Don't make sense to me to pay 6000 to 8000 bucks for a bh on a used tractor
if you can get a new BX24 and a new BH for a 6000 to 8000 dollar trade in price.
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JerryG
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Mr. Brown,
That would be something to look into but we don't know the specifics of what Zunnie has going on. He might have a killer deal on a backhoe and wants to take advantage of it.
Zunnie,
Welcome to TBN.
That would be something to look into but we don't know the specifics of what Zunnie has going on. He might have a killer deal on a backhoe and wants to take advantage of it.
Zunnie,
Welcome to TBN.
sqidget
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Zunnie, Welcome,
What is the story here?
Besides the subframe there is also hydraulic plumbing that is different that would need to be upgraded. I also believe the FEL frame brackets are different as the subframe mounts to it in front. You will also have to change the step stay kit. Also the entire seat assy and rops due to the seat connecting to it when in backhoe position. If you are buying a kubota BH specifically, which is the only one the subframe will fit, you will have much more into it than you will spend on a trade in. If you got a killer deal on or AKA free kubota BH than pricing this out may be a viable option. Also the AG tires will not clear the subframe. That is why R-4 tires are the traction option for the BX-24. Please let us have a bit more info on this and I'm sure we will get it sorted out.
What is the story here?
Besides the subframe there is also hydraulic plumbing that is different that would need to be upgraded. I also believe the FEL frame brackets are different as the subframe mounts to it in front. You will also have to change the step stay kit. Also the entire seat assy and rops due to the seat connecting to it when in backhoe position. If you are buying a kubota BH specifically, which is the only one the subframe will fit, you will have much more into it than you will spend on a trade in. If you got a killer deal on or AKA free kubota BH than pricing this out may be a viable option. Also the AG tires will not clear the subframe. That is why R-4 tires are the traction option for the BX-24. Please let us have a bit more info on this and I'm sure we will get it sorted out.
skippy957
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Just go there and download the manual for BH6000. You will see all the brackets included in the kit.
Woods Equipment Company - Manuals
Woods Equipment Company - Manuals
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Read through or contact the owner this may help.Zunnie17 said:
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/54527-bx1500-woods-bh6000.html?highlight=BX1500+BH6000
From BX2350 to BX 24 !
I like to put my kubota backhoe BT600 to a BX2350!
Therefore I need technical information about the subframe from the BX24
Also if possible bracket drawing, so I can make them myself or local!
The hydraulic part is only to supply an hydraulic block and to put to
connectors on with hoses to the backhoe?
This wil be the first backhoe mounted on a kubota, because i live in Holland
for that reason kubota supply only tracktors whitout backhoe's
I hope somebody can help me out!!
Best regards zunnie17
I like to put my kubota backhoe BT600 to a BX2350!
Therefore I need technical information about the subframe from the BX24
Also if possible bracket drawing, so I can make them myself or local!
The hydraulic part is only to supply an hydraulic block and to put to
connectors on with hoses to the backhoe?
This wil be the first backhoe mounted on a kubota, because i live in Holland
for that reason kubota supply only tracktors whitout backhoe's
I hope somebody can help me out!!
Best regards zunnie17
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I think it won't be cost effective either, and no matter how much you beef things up, bottom line the 2350 was not designed for a BH and you will be stressing the crap out of it. I'd start adding up things for a 24, as mentioned earlier. There are just to many modifications you'd have to make to get it to work properly. My $0.02.
Tom_H
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Taiser said:
Actually, BX tractors not offered with Kubota backhoes all do just fine with the Woods BH6000. Scores of TBN members have attached this backhoe to their BX tractors. Go back in the archives and you will find numerous threads by blackmajicwoman showing pics of his little BX1500 digging trenches, digging up boulders, and digging out stumps. The BH6000 has its own subframe that attaches to the main frame. No one has ever reported any damage to the frame, or of any other kind, to any BX from the BH6000 backhoe.
Zunie 17, you cannot simply copy the subframe from a BX24. The subframe has to be able to mate to the frame of the BX as well as to the backhoe you mention. Unless the backhoe you mention is the same backhoe that is on the BX24, the design by which it mates to the subframe is different. Even if this is a backhoe that came off of another BX24, the exact pattern of mating it to the frame will be different.
Additionally, whether a BX22, 23, 24, or any other BX with the Woods BH6000, the bolts and nuts, as well as the torque applied to them, need to meet very specific specifications. Unless the person creating all this custom work is an engineer, I would be quite leery of attempting it.
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KeithInSpace
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First, I disagree that the BX2350 cannot handle a BH. With the appropriate subframe, the Woods is a great unit. I have no reason to believe that my tractor is going to die anytime soon by the simple addition of the backhoe.
Second, I'm confused by something. THe BX24 and the BX2350 share the same wheelbase, length, width, engine, body, wheels, EVERYTHING. I'm confused as to what the critical differences are between the two frames that make it IMPOSSIBLE to simply mount a Kubota BX24 subframe to the BX2350. Though Kubota would probably have a fit. But it would seem odd that they have these two tractors come off the line and them not consider both in the frame production...what I mean is the holes necessary to mount the subframe. Installing the hydraulics is a piece of cake after you get this feature tackled.
Lastly: I'd be VERY, VERY, VERY weary, Mr. Zunnie17, of making a subframe from scratch. My subframe goes from the back of the tractor all the way to the front wheels with complex heated bends, castings for the mounts, and all other manner of complications. Given the amount of stress the subframe must absorb and send through the rest of the tractor and given the UGLINESS that would occur should the subframe break while in use, I would not pursue such endevours. Not for a second. Surly there is a way to get a hold of a proper BX24 subframe with less difficulty...
Second, I'm confused by something. THe BX24 and the BX2350 share the same wheelbase, length, width, engine, body, wheels, EVERYTHING. I'm confused as to what the critical differences are between the two frames that make it IMPOSSIBLE to simply mount a Kubota BX24 subframe to the BX2350. Though Kubota would probably have a fit. But it would seem odd that they have these two tractors come off the line and them not consider both in the frame production...what I mean is the holes necessary to mount the subframe. Installing the hydraulics is a piece of cake after you get this feature tackled.
Lastly: I'd be VERY, VERY, VERY weary, Mr. Zunnie17, of making a subframe from scratch. My subframe goes from the back of the tractor all the way to the front wheels with complex heated bends, castings for the mounts, and all other manner of complications. Given the amount of stress the subframe must absorb and send through the rest of the tractor and given the UGLINESS that would occur should the subframe break while in use, I would not pursue such endevours. Not for a second. Surly there is a way to get a hold of a proper BX24 subframe with less difficulty...
Berniep
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He is in Holland and I don't think he meant Holland Michigan.
So that will drastically change the cost factor. Importing Woods equipment may be an impossiblity. He already has a BT600 backhoe so there is most of the cost righ there. And he looks like he has some pretty good fabrication chops. Check out that picture.
Hey Zunnie don't forget about the ROPS, you will bang your head on it if you dont extend it. Getting the rotating seat fixture might be a problem.
So that will drastically change the cost factor. Importing Woods equipment may be an impossiblity. He already has a BT600 backhoe so there is most of the cost righ there. And he looks like he has some pretty good fabrication chops. Check out that picture.
Hey Zunnie don't forget about the ROPS, you will bang your head on it if you dont extend it. Getting the rotating seat fixture might be a problem.
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KeithInSpace
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Totally concur regrading Woods. Silly since he already has the BT600.
I picked up on what he's really asking...isn't the BT600 for the BX22/23? Kubota lists the current BH as the BT601. And THAT's what he wants to put on the BX2350.
Assuming there were different holes put in the BX24 frame for the subframe than a BX23...dunno.
Concur that he clearly has the fabrication part down, but I hope that is just the beginning of the subframe...can't say what Kubota's looks like, but mine is over 5 feet long. Just don't know if it wouldn't be easier to see if Kubota would sell a subframe seperately.
Regarding the ROPS, I have no problems with my BX2230 ROPS. I am 190# and 6'-0", have a solid 30 hours operating the BH, and haven't bumped my head once. And getting the Kubota spinny seat thing should be easy. I would pay the extra for theirs. It is very nice. My Woods seat assembly is pretty cheesy.
I picked up on what he's really asking...isn't the BT600 for the BX22/23? Kubota lists the current BH as the BT601. And THAT's what he wants to put on the BX2350.
Assuming there were different holes put in the BX24 frame for the subframe than a BX23...dunno.
Concur that he clearly has the fabrication part down, but I hope that is just the beginning of the subframe...can't say what Kubota's looks like, but mine is over 5 feet long. Just don't know if it wouldn't be easier to see if Kubota would sell a subframe seperately.
Regarding the ROPS, I have no problems with my BX2230 ROPS. I am 190# and 6'-0", have a solid 30 hours operating the BH, and haven't bumped my head once. And getting the Kubota spinny seat thing should be easy. I would pay the extra for theirs. It is very nice. My Woods seat assembly is pretty cheesy.
Berniep
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I can't wait to see the results.
Are you cutting your parts on a CNC plasma table?
Are you cutting your parts on a CNC plasma table?
Tom_H
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Berniep said:
Bernie, I see that you have a BX23. I would like to know whether you have ever sat on a BX1500, 1800, 1830, 1850, 2200, 2230, 2350, or 2650 that had a Woods BH6000 added to it? I have a BX2200 with a Woods BH6000. For me, there simply is NO issue with the ROPS, and I have never read anyone else who said he had one.
I would like to know if you are speaking from experience or if you are simply guessing.
Tom_H
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KeithInSpace said:
Keith, I am not completely certain about these two and their frames. I do know that when the only BX models in existence were the 1800 and 2200, and Kubota decided to create a BX with backhoe, the frame Kubota brought forth for the BX22 was supposedly beefier than the frame on the BX2200. The Woods subframe makes up for that difference. The BX22, 23, 24 are not able to accommodate ag tires, while the other BX models with Woods subframe and backhoe still are able to accommodate the ag tires. There is a difference in the volumetric space under the fender, which I believe is frame related.
Berniep
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My mistake, I was in a hurry when I posted this.Tom_H said:
I should have put "you might bang your head" I do know that a lot of people, even most, don't have any problem with the stock rops. However, when I first started researching my BX purchase (sometime in 2004) There was a lengthy thread about a person putting the woods unit on a BX and he did have a problem with the rops and found an after market solution. Whether from Woods or somewhere else I don't know.
I have banged my head on my extended rops so I "guess" I would be able to hit it on a standard BX. Although it should be something that is easy to learn to avoid.
As you might tell from my posts I was dropped on my head as a child and am sensitive to this issue
I apologize for making a statement about something that I have no direct experience with.
