Thanks to George...

Anonymous Poster · May 27, 2001

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DrDan, If you look into it carefully, you will find that the Democrats added the $300 that you will be getting back soon to the Republican bill. Your thanks for the $300 would have to go to the Democrats.

Andy

DrDan · May 28, 2001

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Oh well that shows ya what I know. I so damn busy just earning $$$ to pay taxes and health insurance that I don't get time to follow the bills. Sorry for the error. Them Dem's are the greatest <spenders I've ever seen>! I just think we are overgoverned. That's my opinion. I know the masses want more from government, but I'd prefer less and pay less tax. It is incredible that money can be squandered so senselessly by these people. The $350 toilet seat is for real! I think we need a massive phase out of the "do for me movement"! I don't even believe in unemployment. I figure if ya hungry enough you could do some menial labor at some occupation for a meal and a warm bed. If you are unproductive then you don't deserve much more. Where did the concept come from that we have to provide for those who take no initiative to provide for themselves? I just think anything government attempts to rule or do ends up a total disaster that the workers of the country have to fund.

Dr Dan

cowboydoc · May 28, 2001

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Now that's not true! What do you mean the democrats put that in? That has been on the table to give the taxpayers a refund since before Bush was even elected, the only question was how much he was going to be able to give back if he was elected. That is simply not true. From the time the election was over until the time this thing came to be passed by the house and into the senate the democrats opposed this tax cut using fear tactics saying this money was going to come from social security and medicare and their benefits would be cut to pay for it. The $300 was only a compromise not their idea!!!

jyoutz · May 28, 2001

Bird, I have to disagree with you on how government is funded. But before I begin, let me preface my remarks by saying that my own philosophy is mainstream conservative Republican. I believe in efficient govenment, not no government. The government's budget and spending priorities are not developed in a vacuum, they are driven by the tax-paying constituents back at home. We're all guilty-every last one of us, of requesting goodies from the government. Inner city poor folks certainly have different priorities than us rural folks, but we all like our services. Come-on, fess up -what's the difference between urban health care for the poor, Veterens Administration free health care for every ex-military person, or USDA programs for rural landowners? Everyone thinks that their own want is somehow special, and very few of us are willing to give up our special service. Collectively, all of these demands reach the federal government and the budget is formed. Nobody is willing to admit that they actually like things the way they are, they just don't want to pay for them. Sure, the government spends lots of our money. Take a look in the mirror to find out why. Personally, I would be willing to give up some services in exchange for keeping more of my money. But my opinion is no doubt in the minority.

Bird · May 28, 2001

Jim, your point's well taken, and quite true. But of course nothing's quite as simple as either of us make it sound in our messages here./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Bird

ddl · May 28, 2001

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The tax cuts is the perfect way to tell the difference between the dems and reps. The dems wanted the tax cut to be welfare, and the reason for this is that dems need victims for their support. Victims never find success. All of us can relate for at ny point in time in our lives, when we start to feel like failures, we will fail. When we get out mindset right, we succeed. Why do dems fight inproving public education, thy want to have victims or failures so they have a base of voters they can promise to give thing to, which they never do anyway. Our country needs to be based on success and victims. Who would want a job if you are payed the same amount as someone who has been working in the field for years, no growth, no future. Everyone should pay the same amount of tax no matter of income. If that happen everyone would pay less.

Dan L

cowboydoc · May 28, 2001

jyoutz,
Yes I believe you are right that alot of people want something from the government but I strongly disagree that we all do. The problem is that as Bird and some others have said is that the fed. government has grown so massive, #1 employer in the country, and gotten into so many people's back pockets on purpose!!! They give to everyone and promise to everyone so that they can get you hooked. It truly is a two-headed monster out of control. I talked to an ex-senator last year and he is the one that told me all of this. He said their plan has always been to get as many people as possible dependent on the government since the FDR years. I for one and I'm sure others here do not want a thing from the government except to just let us be. Yes we need to pay taxes and we need government but it doesn't have to be the #1 employer in the country and it doesn't have to be in every single person's back pocket. I can't think of one single thing that the government gives me. I have roads, police, army, etc. and I'm all for those things but I don't get any other special deals and I don't want any.

Here in Iowa right now all anyone can talk about is how much money they're going to get from the government to rebuild from the flood, what a bunch of bull!! This same thing happened a few years ago and we knew it was going to happen again yet people just took the free money and built again. Now it's happened again and they just want the free money to build up again. What a waste. These people know they are in a flood plain, they knew it would flood again, why is that the federal taxpayers problem? Now tornados, hurricanes, etc. fine help them out but this is a bunch of bull these people knew that this would happen again but they didn't care because they knew that the government would just give them the money to rebuild. When the federal guy was here to assess the situation he said that he wasn't sure if funds were going to be given to the people here because they knew this would happen again and still rebuilt in the same flood plains and nothing was done from the 100 million they were given the last time to keep this from happening again. That's the kind of waste I'm talking about.

Lastly as far as taxes go why not just have a flat tax? Throw out all the loopholes and everything and just pay x amount of what you make. I'd be all for that. I know there is no perfect system but everyday we move more and more towards a socialist republic, we're really already there except for healthcare, and maybe that's what people want but it's not what I want.

Branch · May 28, 2001

That's the best reason to keep money local instead of sending it off to Washington. If the locals had to rebuild with their own money they wouldn't do it. With our current system we send $0.01 to the local governent, $0.20 to the state governement and a $1.00 to the federal governemnt. The feds skim off $0.75 and makes the locals jump through hoops fighting among themselves to get $0.25 back for local projects. The $0.25 has so many strings attached it's almost not worth the effort. How did we get here? Why must the Fed be given the money first. It's like the corrupt charities. You feel good giving them $1.00 but then you find out that after administration costs they only have $0.10 for the intended purpose.
When the liberal voters realize that the Federal Government isn't their rich uncle handing out money but instead a business middleman skimming we might be able to turn this around. I'm all for sending money to the Feds for a national defense, but I for the life of me don't understand why their involved in the offramp you take to get to my house.

Branch

hess · May 28, 2001

Your moniker is certainly appropriate. But let me clarify a few things, since you are a bit misguided, not to mention rude for getting so personal and aggressive, when everyone else has been throwing their opinions into the forum like gentlemen.

Teachers do test to get into the profession.
We do not manufacture a product, we help children develop their minds.
The work is not easy - as some children do not come to school on a regular basis, come to school unfed, come to school having been abused the night before - and some kids just don't care to learn.
And... if I teach a student to spell, or type the word COMMUNIST, and they still spell or type it CIOMMUNIST at their job interview - I must be to blame.
We are not a business, for crying out loud, we are dealing with our children.
And if I wanted to make money, trust me I would have left for the private sector - but I chose to teach. You may not realize this, but many talented, intelligent, ambitious individuals ignore the teaching profession because they can make more elsewhere.
After reading your bitter account of the state of affairs here in the U.S. - I wonder if maybe it isn't you who is living in the wrong country. I here Canada is beautiful.