The joys of bidding work

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Kendall69 said:
So the proof that this guy was an idiot is that he wanted a 12.5% reduction in the price....PALLLLEEEASEEE. Where's your proof this guy is an idiot

........

No
I already gave him a 10% discount
he wanted another 12.5% on top of that.
Total of 20% off original price, too much, not worth doing.

The normal price would have been $500, I clearly said that, I told him the deal that day as $450, he wanted more off, I was unwilling to go further.

Everyone else seems to get this but you.

But it's ok, because whatever it is that you are selling, even if you lose money on every one, you can make it up on volume.

The rest of us need to make money.
 
   / The joys of bidding work #122  
I really, really, for sure and positively think this thread has (did a long time ago) reached it's demise.
 
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BillyP said:
I really, really, for sure and positively think this thread has (did a long time ago) reached it's demise.

You really really might just be RIGHT. But it's sorta like that proverbial car wreck that everyone just HAS to stop and look at, knowing they'll see something that they don't really want to see.
 
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   / The joys of bidding work #124  
Sorry if I'm repeating others' thoughts. I just ran out of gas trying to read the entire thread. Here are my thoughts on the matter:

1) I am assuming your bid on the job was a fair and reasonable bid. If you accept a lower price, you will get the job - the customer feels "empowered." That's the politically correct terminology, isn't it . . . when the buyer feels like he's mounted you . . . Alpha dog and all that stuff?

Well, four and a half decades of business experinece tells me you are going to lose TWO customers - the first customer, the one who paid more for a similar job, and the second customer, the one who now knows you were trying to screw him by asking too much in the first place. Yeah, even the Alpha dogs are discerning enough to realize they're dealing with a questionable supplier.

2) I am the owner/partner in several businesses. These ventures have always started slowly - no razzmatazz; no B.S - just word-of-mouth that I do everything I say I'll do, and I do it better than my competition. When the competition comes to my price, I raise mine. I'm worth it. I don't do marginal jobs, and my customers don't get marginal work. When I want to do the "negocios" thing, I head to old Mexico.

3) I learned one thing well as a teenager. I had a "garage band." We played for $300.00 a night. When the band got good, and we were in demand, a friend asked us to play his graduation party . . . for $200.00. We did it. Guess what our top offer was for the rest of the band's existence. You got it, $200.00. When we took a job for less than our worth, we doomed the band. I've seen numerous businesses fail for the same reason.

Just my thoughts. If somebody else gets the job for $400.00, you haven't lost a thing. If a competing bidder takes the original job, too, and if your bid was fair and resonable, your competition will fold under the burden of marginal profits. You'll end up with both jobs. One of my businesses increased its volume by 40% last year without a single sales call, just word-of-mouth . . . but for the seven years before, I did what I said I'd do. At a fair price. Better than my competition. This business is about to double in volume this year. Again, no sales calls.

A more reasonable approach would be to go to your first customer, the PROVEN customer, and tell him you have been offered a similar job. Explain to him that if he and the unproven customer can arrive at a schedule convenient to you, this will result in a lower price for both of them. Chances are you'll end up with him, the jerk who's trying to deal you out of 50 bucks, and a neighbor on the other side. The jerk will probably not provide you with a lead to his neighbors - jerks aren't trusted, even by other jerks.
 
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Kendall69 said:
Definition of a JERK...he wants to pay less than quoted...HMMMM I guess all of us reading this should be considered jerks, because we all want tractor stuff cheaper than we are quoted by one dealer over another, or is it jus me...nah, it's everyone here.

Well it is not everyone, I got tired of being jerked around a long time ago, and when I got rid of those customers I too quit trying to beat up people on their prices. What I do is ask for their best price the first time, if I like it, good, if not then I go some place else, no haggling. Oh and when I was looking for my one and only new tractor, not one time did I ask if they would go lower on the quoted price. When it was too high I just moved on. I'm not saying what is right or wrong, just what I do and how I am treated in my business.



Kendell69 said:
Oh and by the way yes I have negotiated on a gallon of milk and got it.

And you are proud of that? :eek:


kendel69 said:
No - what the customer was doing was showing LC how serious he was with CASH, RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW.

Cash to me would have been $100 bills, not a check.
 
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So, I have to assume from your comments, Kendall, that you've never met a job that you didn't like no matter what the price?


I'll give you $9 to cut my patch and you ought to love that, right? Especially since I'll be telling everyone I know that you are good for cutting an acre for $9 and the referrals will just come rolling in.
 
   / The joys of bidding work #127  
Dougster said:
Past tense used only because I was referring to last winter's experience. :) God only knows where they are or what they're doing today! :cool:

Well the housing market is in a corrrection, so maybe they are downsizing.


Dougster said:
Or are you just trying to tell me that you are ONE OF THEM!!! :eek:

Nah, the bank owns most everything I have. :)


Dougster said:
Edit: Yep... just checked your profile. Sure 'nuf... a Kubota!!! :D

But most of my work is done on borrowed blues But I do own all the orange outright.

:) :)
-Mike Z.
 
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BillyP said:
I really, really, for sure and positively think this thread has (did a long time ago) reached it's demise.

There are several good points to consider in this thread. And several divergent opinions on those points.

Potential Customer size up - Initial body language, time, place, circumstance

Negotiating Skills

Legal tender

Your bottom line

Closing the sale

Final impressions

I am pretty interested in the potential size up, how to WIN the customer, and how to make that final impression POSITIVE in reflecting on me and my business.

So far we seem to be stuck on bottom line and legal tender. Too bad.


-Mike Z.
 
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Kendall69 said:
HUH???? - Let me clear my point up. Even thought I maket more before I finish my morning coffee...... Then I would have a face like this :)

Let me see if I understand this...

You make $400 before you finish your morning coffee on stocks. Thats $2,400 a day or about $876,000 per year.

Are you one of those RICH guys this discussion is about?
 
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riptides said:
Nah, the bank owns most everything I have. :) But most of my work is done on borrowed blues. But I do own all the orange outright.
:) :) -Mike Z.
I rest my case. Kubota owner. Friends with blue. Bank willing to lend you money. Rich.

Dougster (who can't afford green, orange OR blue... just used red)

p.s., This reminded me of my experience last summer at Chappell Tractor in Milford, NH... wherein the salesman told me flat out that: "Since you obviously can't afford ORANGE Mister Dougster, don't even THINK about BLUE!" True story... happened right before he kicked me out! -d
 

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