Comparison The new LS / New Hollands are around

[Pops15]

My pop always said that no matter how hard you try - you can't put a shine on a turd.

Apparently your Pop never watched Mythbusters. They proved you can indeed polish a turd!

 

[IH3444]

Is there a chart for the speeds of the 12/12 SS tranmissions, and the 16/16 SS transmissions. I have searched and can find none.

 

[stlawrence]

Seems to me the LS models are a lot of tractor for a good price. Price out a Boomer 50 on the NH site, and Deere nor Kubota can compete with it - in price. At that price, if New Holland stands behind them with the NH brand, reputation, and service, seems like a good deal.

But LT said this was a one-time shot, I think? Is it? What does that mean? They won't have this line in five years?

Has anyone bought one, to give us some impressions, etc?

 

[mwb]

I don't understand all the negative comments here. No one actually states what is lesser quality between a TC30 and the turd tractors. I have a Montana - you can call me biased if you like - but the short of it is that the LS machine is high quality, has a well respected engine and tranny. Dollar to dollar, the LS is a much better value than an 'equivalent' CNH, Kubota, Deere.

In this day and age of rebranding, sub-contracting of parts manufacturing and assembly, I don't think there is much difference between most brands (not counting the really cheap China).

If you want to bash a brand, why not be specific and state why they don't compare? Is the complaint worth the 20 - 30% difference in cost?

 

[Lt CHEG]

But LT said this was a one-time shot, I think? Is it? What does that mean? They won't have this line in five years?

I don't know that I'd say that once these LS manufactured New Hollands are sold there won't be anymore. What I heard was that NH contracted for a limited number of these LS tractors to see how things would work out as a supplement to their lineup. It's my understanding that this isn't a wholesale switch from Shibuara to LS all across the board. It sounds like LS tractors may replace some less viable Shibaura tractors and there may be some new value tractors coming along to increase the lineup. I don't get the impression that Shibaura is out and LS is in, but more like they are both going to be making NH compact tractors to fill different roles in the lineup.

 

[McGeesEquip]

Looks like NH went off and made a cheaper version of the LS and McCormick CT units. I guess taking off the rear remotes and the 3 point draft control as standard features is to put more money in NH bottom numbers.

What's going to be interesting is seeing what McCormick is going to do... The inside talk is going strong about it. I guess that is why I was able to drop some units by $2K.

 

[fishpick]

McCormick still sells tractors? no kidding

 

[Gary Fowler]

Well guys you can all bash LS as much as you please but truth is lots of the tractors you are driving or talking about were made by LS. Not withstanding JD and Kubota, I think I have seen at least every other brand mentioned that LS made one or more of their models.
Personally, I looked at every brand out there and did not find one including JD and Kubota that had the quality and standard features of the LS tractors that I was looking at. After spending months looking and hours searching the internet, I purchased the best looking, most comfortable ergonomically built tractor with the most features that I wanted for the least price. It has features that are useful not just for show that are not even available on other brands.
That is a P 7010C in the photo.

 

[Redneck_Randy]

That's a nice looking tractor Gary. Sure looks like it can do some work also.:thumbsup:

 

[Gator6x4]

I saw one of those off brand, junk yard rejects idle up to a pallet of stone one time and pick it up and drive off. This was after several of the popular name brand colors had tried to lift the pallet and could not.

 

[whodat526]

if u have not owned it and opperated it for more than five minutes u shouldn't bash it most people dont buy tractors from experiance expicaly not a cut most of them or first time buyer they never studied the brands recalls problems, parts price and avability for each brand so in my opinion they are uneucated buyers and think because its green are blue its the best well u should think again

but how many people knows how much trouble johndeere has with hyd leaks and the fords and the sos transmissions the johndeere and massey's where good other than the hyd. system and the fords nh pre 2003 (when they became a long in my opinion) where bullet proof other than the sos trans so dont say u bought it because its supperior u bought it because u liked the color feel for a marketing campain or u cusions aunt betty sues sisters ex husbands nephews son in law had one but most certainly not because it is supperior and most people buy it to keep up with the jones's

and if u are offended by my post you are a uneducated buyer u need to do more research

all in all if u never owned it dont bash it u dont really know what u own anyways many major companys rebadge more of there models than u wont to beleive

 

[Gary Fowler]

I attached a photo of some work I did with the tractor that I started the day after it was delivered. The pond beside the tractor was completed in 2 days and I was hauling some rocks for aesthetics to place in a corner to be arranged later.
As for quality of build of the LS, I only found one small flaw in the 30 hours or so that I put on it and that was a loose wire somewhere in the tachometer as it would work awhile and stop then start again. I am sure that with all the bouncing around that I did scraping up hard shale rock at the bottom I loosened a wire somewhere but I didnt want to stop work to look for it. I wanted to finish my pond. My B-I-L has an NH T2030 that didnt get 5 hours on it before a lower glass in the cab shattered, the Hydrostatic foot control had a weld break on it and it wouldnt stop. Now he has about 75 hours on it and the AC compressor has frozen up. I dont see that big 3 or 4 have any less flaws or better quality than the lesser brands and I certainly dont see paying many thousands more for a lesser tractor will less options just because it is orange or green or red or blue, after all, many of them are made by the same company anyway. If you want to pay for designer labels that are made in China or Thailand go for it but dont try to convince me that your alligator log shirt is worth $100 when I can buy one without the alligator for $10 made by the same company. As far as I am concerned the same applies to tractors. Maytag washing machines are another example of a company trying to stand on rep but quality is not there anymore, just as I dont believe the new tractors are the same. I would not necessarily buy New Holland just because the 8N Fords lasted 75 years nor John Deere because my Grandpa had a 70 JD that is still popping along. I doubt any of the new tractors will be around that long and that has nothing to do with who made them or who maintains them. Old tractors were over engineered because they had no history to tell them what the minimum sizes could be to stand the everyday strains and not much history of metallurgy therefore the made everything bigger than needed. Todays material are made to much less tolerance for strength and durability because the engineer knows much more about the materials, how much stress it will stand, how many repetitions it takes to break an item, etc. Tie that to the throw away mentality of today and you get to replace your car every 5 years and the sheet metal is so thin you can dent it with a finger. But I am rampling and ranting, everyone know this already.

 

[JC-jetro]

u cusions aunt betty sues sisters ex husbands nephews son in law had one but most certainly not because it is supperior and most people buy it to keep up with the jones's

Nicely put:laughing::laughing: I could not have said it better. Beauty or lack there off is always in the eye of the beholder.


JC,

 

[whodat526]

Nicely put:laughing::laughing: I could not have said it better. Beauty or lack there off is always in the eye of the beholder.


JC,

thats right so why do so many people critize stuff when they have never owned and opperated and some of them never seen that brand critize it does make no sense in my mind it goes shows their stupidity

 

[JC-jetro]

thats right so why do so many people critize stuff when they have never owned and opperated and some of them never seen that brand critize it does make no sense in my mind it goes shows their stupidity

Well , "Stupidity" is a bit strong language in my opinion. We all have some brand loyalty for different reasons. Every manufacturer of automotive equipment, heavy machinery and just about any consumer products has some equipment that are exemplary in all aspects and some real lemons as well. Our needs, wants are as varied as there are consumer so one shoe does fit all. I still think Chinese stuff overall lack the quality that is made in U.S or European made. The difference is slave labor in China vs U.S or Europe. Korean have come a long way in their heavy machinery in the last many years and can rival Japanese to a great extent and may be not entirely in all aspects.

Bottom line is , luckily we have a choice and that's invaluable. Have you heard the adage about having an opinion?

JC,

 

[whodat526]

no what is was saying is when somebody starts to critize something no matter what it is and has studied the facts is stupid in my opinion and yes everybody and a brand loyalty but u shouldn't say deere is better than kubota and kubota is better than nh when all you have ever ran is a deere if u haven't had any experience on something how can u critize that something every brand has it good and bad and u cant just point out the good of one brand and say thats why u bought it and the bad of another brand and say thats why u didn't by it if u look for problems u will find them in every brand no matter where its made and people say chiense built is bad but look around your house and see what is all made in china and thing about that everything they make is bad

 

[whodat526]

Have you heard the adage about having an opinion?

JC,

yes everybody has a opinion and that is their right but theres opinions and theres facts everything has its good and bad and we buy what we wont so why dont people just leave it like that instead of bashing what somebody else bought

 

[Lt CHEG]

I would by no means criticise the new LS produced New Hollands. Having said that, I sat on a few of them when I was waiting to pick up my Boomer after having the backhoe installed and I did prefer the location of the controls on my Shibaura NH better than on the LS built tractors. I'm sure that the LS tractors are fine because I'm also sure that NH wouldn't risk their reputation on a sub par tractor line. However, just because one tractor can do everything that another tractor can do, doesn't mean that one can't be better than the other for an individual. There are things that are subject to individual preference. I'm sure that an LS tractor would fit my needs fine and do everything that my Shibaura built NH will do, however for me my Shibaura built NH is the better tractor because I like the placement of the controls better for me. There's nothing wrong with preference and it certainly doesn't mean that I wasted my money on a more expensive tractor either by buying one that I preferred the control layout on.

 

[JC-jetro]

yes everybody has a opinion and that is their right but theres opinions and theres facts everything has its good and bad and we buy what we wont so why dont people just leave it like that instead of bashing what somebody else bought

Matters of discussions are never black and white irregardless what the facts are. I do agree that one should speak based on the facts. The thing is you can pick and choose what you want and leave the rest be.. simple as that.

JC

 

[whodat526]

and your are starting to see what i am saying you should speak on the facts but most people dont but the should not argue with some one that is speaking the facts its crazy and that goes to where a tractor is made it really doesn't matter where u was told it was made that does make it better are who it was made by is all does make it better everybody likes what they like in their on opinion not really based on the facts and thats good for them but dont critize to next man or woman for what they choose

and the facts are u buy what u wont not nessecarly what u need or can afford