If I remember correctly, I had to push the clutch in to shift gears. Not so sure I can fully do that test right now with the clutch/linkage acting up. I had always just pushed clutch in fully when changing gears and engaging PTO. Hadn't had to use PTO much because until recently All I had that used the pto was my post hole auger.
Think I just tore my clutch out. ford 1520
JC-jetro
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Jack up the rear axle and securely support the axle two jack stands. Make sure rear tires can freely spin. Clutch and engage the pto.
1- see if you can spin the PTO out put shaft.
2- have someone clutch and try to turn PTO. Observe the result.
3- with transmission in neutral try to rotate the rear wheels by hand. Observe and report.
4- clutch and engage a gear, try to rotate the rear wheels by hand. Observe and report.
All the tests above to be done with engine off. Very important.
JC,
Ok will do tomorrow weather permitting. What will this test show, live pto or not.
I went out to it tonight, looking for an inspection cover. I was fooling with the clutch pedal. I can push it in about 2-3 inches before I can feel it actually touch the pressure plate I assume. Until that distance its just return spring tension.
Whats got me baffled is a clutch shouldn't go out within a 100 feet.
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With the clutch pushed in and tractor coasting [like downhill] the clutch plate is driven by the trans if youre in gear. If its a low gear the plate will spin very fast and can disintegrate. This can happen instantly with too much speed in a low gear.
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JC-jetro
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There is a huge difference between live and transmission driven Pto. if nothing else the price of dual clutch is 4 to 5 times more expensive than single clutch. I'm trying to figure out which flavor you got and which clutch disk is failing, pto or transmission clutch. If you have the inspection hole finding the type of clutch can be very simple by visual inspection. If you can take a picture shining a flash light thru the hole might enable us to verify, along with the rest of test instructions.
JC.
JC.
OK, tractor jacked up, in neutral, tires spin freely, Now put tractor in middle/medium range 3rd gear. Clutch out, I can move the rear tires but I have to put some force behind it in order to do so. I lifted the hood to see If I was also spinning the motor, It was to some extent. PTO engaged clutch out can't spin the shaft, push the clutch in I can spin the shaft. easily.
JC-jetro
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Nice, I don't reckon you have a problem. Now I asked you 4 question and you answered only two. How about 1/2 clutching and see if wheels spin free in gear. I'm trying to figure out if you have dual stage clutch. From what you said so far I think you have a single clutch and your pto is transmission driven.
My observations.
-engaged PTO, start turning while clutch is fully pressed indicates that your tractor clutch release mechanism works fine and disengages the clutch disk and that's a good thing.
- in gear and having a hard time spinning the rear wheels means your clutch is engaged and clutch disk is not slipping and that's a good thing.
- your clutch can engage and dis-engages like it should and that's a good thing.
I read that you were able to back up a hill in reverse.. that's also good as clutch does not care if you're going forward and reverse.
Now all these tests were done" not under load". your clutch disk might be getting thin and starts to slip under heavy load. If you have an inspection hole on the side of your transmission you can visually observe and even measure thickness vs oem clutch disk.
JC,
taking a picture of clutch disk/pressure plate can easily show if you have dual clutch or not.
Well actually i went back out and checked into it further, I had the brake locked on one wheel. My bad, trying to do it in a hurry weather wasn't fully cooperating. Anyways, I can free spin the wheels while in gear. I was trying to do it by myself, only help I had was my 4 year old boy, he wanted to help so bad, but didn't have the strength to fully compress the clutch. He got an A+ for effort.
1. can't spin the pto
2. can spin the pto shaft easily
3. spins freely
4 no change spins freely I even swap high to low gears no change.
Sorry I didn't fully understand what you were asking earlier
And thanks alot for the info.
The Previous owner had a clutch put in when he first bought the tractor, so there isn't alot of hours on it. If it is a dual clutch, wondering if I drop it off at a re builder if they can fix whats wrong with this set up?
1. can't spin the pto
2. can spin the pto shaft easily
3. spins freely
4 no change spins freely I even swap high to low gears no change.
Sorry I didn't fully understand what you were asking earlier
And thanks alot for the info.
The Previous owner had a clutch put in when he first bought the tractor, so there isn't alot of hours on it. If it is a dual clutch, wondering if I drop it off at a re builder if they can fix whats wrong with this set up?
JC-jetro
Elite Member
Way to go little boy for trying to help out his ole man:thumbsup: I was changing a clutch with rebuilt transmission for my boy's Eclipse all day yesterday and two of my boys were helping me all day. I tell you tractor clutch is way the heck easier that jammed front wheel drive vehicle.
In a dual clutch jobby, in gear, rear wheel off the ground and easily spin is a sign of release bearing is riding the fingers on clutch 1/2 way releasing the first stage so clutch is dispensed. in that fix the pto clutch or second set is disengaged and pressing fully releases the second clutch which is your pto. I think something got screwed up with clutch adjustment. look at all the linkages, may be you got it dragged against brush or something that deformed it.
You can easily check movement of release fork and if it is riding on pressure plate thru inspection hole and a flash light in two minutes. may be this time ask your wife to
depress clutch in out while your checking release fork. If my analysis is correct then you have a minor adjustment issue.
JC,