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Thank you Eddie.

We didn't put the posts inconcrete. We dug three feet deep holes. We put down six inces of pea gravel in the bottom. Then we tamped in pea gravel to anchor the posts.

We did it this way for a couple of reasons. The first thing is we know that the sapwood will eventually decay even though we sealed it with Penofin red label. If we had put them in concrete they would have at some point developed gaps between the post and the concrete due to the decay.

The pea gravel has locked it in pretty tight. It also has a tendancy to wick away the moisture from the wood. When, not if, there is decay then additional pea gravel can be added to compensate for the decay.

After the posts were set I noticed one of them was out of plumb. We couldn't budge it without using straps and a ratchet. The pea gravel works in this situation.
 
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I think in town, in a yard, and where most people water the yard at least some, the pea gravel is a good way to go. But down in Navarro County, I used the pea gravel for my fence posts when I built the fence around my garden. That was a mistake. That black land (Wilson clay loam, it was called) would get huge cracks when the ground got dry in the summer, the pea gravel disappeared into the bowels of the earth and my fence posts were standing in big holes until I filled in around them. We would literally get cracks in the ground in which you could have lost a golf club. Perhaps if we'd gone deeper, it might have worked.
 
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Harvey,

Thanks, that's along the lines of what I was thinking when looking at your pictures. It's very dificult to get posts to stand up straight without allot of bracing at the top and anchors at the bottom unless they are down in the ground. I've racked my brain on a design for my gazebo's that will do this, but always end up with a short wall at the bottom with metal brackets in cement and angle bracing at the top to do this wtihout setting the posts in the ground. Every method has it's pros and cons.

Eddie
 
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wroughtn_harv said:
The best thing about me asked how you were coming on putting the vines and leaves in the entryway.

How are you doing on that?

UMMM, UMMMM, I'm almost at the point of getting ready to start. I think it will be done before Vin gets here.
 
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Again, another nice project the rustic pergula. Anything Harv does is going to be great. I have a question about these pergulas do the owners plant vines to make a shade roof? Most every home here has a covered porch for shade, we need it. Then there are pergulas everywhere and in the roof people add a sun blocking fabric like this Custom size outdoor knitted shade fabric (shadecloth) and shade netting for sun screen, shade canopy, pergola patio cover, shade sail, lanai cover, arbors or paintball netting or else they plant grape vines. The theory on the grape vines is that in the winter you cut them back to the stalk so the pergula is open and gets sun and in the summer the vines have grown and provide shade. If you plant grapes you choose virgin grapes which has something to do about not attracting wasps. I don't ahve the whole story about the virgin grapes I jsut remember my relatives telling me that. I am kind of puzzled by the American built pergulas I see that are jsut left open without any cover on top.

On our pergula I wanted water protection as well so I bought tarps and they are working really well. We originally thought we would remove the tarps during winter but we ended up leaving them on. The winter sun is lower in the sky and we get plenty of sun under the tarps.

I have literally spent 2 years figuring out how to attach the tarps to withstand the rain. But now I think I found the final solution. I foound these fastners, which you can see int he pictures. I jsut took a small kitchen paring knife, cut into the canvas and used these fastners along with bungie cord and that is what has been working best.

The bungie cords give way a little bit in the extreemly high winds we get here and provide some give. If everything was jsut latched down the pergola builder and the neighbor both said the wind will catch the canvas and rip the whole pergola off the house. I used two canvasses to let the air be broken up. The bottom canvas stays tight but the top canvas attached with my bungie cords lifts up like a sail in high winds. So far so good. Trial and error. I do really like the fact that when I bring in groceries int he rain the canvas is waterproof and I can put things on the patio table while I open the door. You can also see int he first pic that even with the pergola we still get sun in, see the sun on the floor of the balcony. We do ahve plans to make our pergula longer, we built what we could afford and as we sell more olive oil eventually I'll have it completely cover the balcony which is on 2 sides of the house.

You can see in the pics I started out using the grommets in the canvas and steel cable with tenders but that did not work. You can see that the gromets got ripped out. Then as long as I was up on the roof to take pics for y'all I snapped of few pics of our olive farm.

Harv we need mroe sun protection here and we have no air conditioning so that dappled pergula is not ideal over here. I cna't figure out in Texas how it works. The only thing I can think of is everyone must have air conditioning over there and the pergulas are not used on really hot days as people are inside. That's the only thing I can come up with why there isn't more shade provided.
 

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Rox, I've often thought the same for shade versus a pergula...:confused:

BTW, very nice place you folks have over there. I think these are the 1st pic's I've seen of your place. Thanks for posting them.
 
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Kyle, I have posted pics before but now that I think about it not for a long time. We go thorugh periods of intense work, mainly the harvest and the pruning and then the rest of the time just plain old work. So there are times that I am away from TBN or just visit and read and am to tired to post. Right now we are hand weeding 12 acres and also pulling the suckers off the feet of the trees. Actually this morning I played hooky from farm work and jsut read and enjoyed TBN. My hsuband went to clean our condo in Cannes (we take turns cleaning it between vacation rental guests) so he is not here to tell me to get outside and get to work. :) This will be my last post today as I am feeling guilty and need to get out and do my share of the work.

I can't figure it out. I'm now 54 and it seems like 4 years is not all that long but I seem to have less stamina to do manual work then when we first moved here and I had turned 50. Then i think of Harv still going mano mano with the young guys and it encourages me to get off the chair and get moving. Harv you really are an inspiration.
 
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A couple of things for you Rox, one, a week ago our twenty four year old granddaughter visited for a couple of days. While she was here Glenda made something or another with your olive oil. Granddaughter thought it was the best ever. When she got back up to OKC she told her dad about the olive oil. So the ex-son-in-law called Glenda to get the particulars and said he was not only ordering some for his house. He was going to order some as gifts for others. He runs in that kind of circle. Word of mouth, best advertising.

You're right of course about the a/c here in north Texas. Along the coast in California it wasn't necessary. But here, it's not as bad as along our coast, it's still pretty well necessary. You get out of the sun and you only lose ten or so degrees of misery. In drier even though hotter climates the difference is a lot more.

Our arbor makes a ton of difference from two on during most of the summer. In fact this time of year we get almost complete shade in the afternoon and it does make a big difference in the comfort factor out on the deck and back porch.

I'm glad you like work. I believe it is what we're designed to do. Part of the reason I believe that is I've noticed most of the happy people I know like work. And I choose to believe it is the work that makes them happy and not vice versa.

One of the things that I believe makes work easier for me than it seems to be for some folks is my itty bitty bites attitude. I find that I break everything into small increments, itty bitty bites if you will.

You take this afternoon. I had to dig two holes and set two posts. I used a small hydraulic auger to dig the holes. It digs right down with the twelve inch bit to about three feet. The hiccup in the get up always is pulling it back up by yourself when it is considered a two man machine.

So when I dig a hole with this machine there's first the going down. Right now it's tough because the ground is dried down to about four feet so we have these humungous cracks, some of them three plus feet deep. When the auger catches a crack it wants to wrestle. Not with the crack, with you.

When its wetter the clay is a nightmare because after about a foot or so down you have to start adding small amounts of water to keep it from sticking the auger in place. If you let it get stuck then you waste two days energy in about five minutes getting it unstuck.

Going down to depth is one segment, itty bitty bite you understand. Once it's to depth you've got something done, you're on top, do a back pat. You need it because the next thing, itty bitty bite, is a hoss. That's because you have to lift out of the hole the auger with its dirt. No fun at all. Well, unless you do it like I do. You see there's a touch where you spin the auger with the hydraulic control just right as you lift up. If you don't spin the auger at all it's dead weight. If you spin it too fast it wants to keep on going down which is actually a little tougher lifting than picking up the dead weight option. If you spin it just right it comes out nice and easy, back pat one oh one one more time because you need it.

That's because the next thing is you have to get all the loose dirt out of the hole. When it's dry like it was today that's about half a hole's worth. That's done with good old fashioned post hole diggers.

The post hole digger thing is another example of itty bitty bites all on its own. Again, the touch, when you have the touch you bring up the maximum amount of loose dirt possible at a time. Each successful post hole digger maximum load up is an itty bitty bite feel good on its own. Sometimes there's a magnifier in the post hole digger itty bitty bite process. That magnifier is the burn.

You see if you're doing very many of these posthole cleaning excercises you get the good old fashioned muscle burn. That's a trip all on to itself. When you get the burn you know you're doing good and you can do better.

After the hole is dug and cleaned out we get to the itty bitty bite of placement. Step one is putting the post in the hole. It wouldn't be such a big thing if invariably there's a bunch of posts to place in the holes. And just as invariably them posts are heavy.

The next thing is the putting the concrete in the holes. A lot of the time I use sacked concrete. It's what I did today. I only had to do two wheelbarrow loads, two holes, simple math, making the holes big makes the math simple.

Again, itty bitty bites one oh one all over again. You only mix a small batch at a time by adding water to the concrete mix in the wheelbarrow. Each small batch is itty bitty biting all on its own. When you're doing it right you're extremely efficient. When you're not, well, you're not. Inefficiency at this point will eat you for lunch.

When the posthole is full of concrete then it's time to line up the post for height and line. I do it by eye. Some people use a string. That's fine. But have you ever noticed what they do after they set it with the string? They check it with their eye. We get to the same place. I just don't trip as often.

When I was a young man my father told me what he liked about being a fenceman was you got to see progress. When you arrive at the job there's no fence and when you leave there's either a good fence or evidence that there will be one shortly if not sooner.

I bet he operated on the itty bitty bite theory. He just didn't call it that. I believe the pictures Bobby Goodman posted show what I'm talking about.
 
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Rox, I forgot to mention how beautiful your place is. It is gorgeous.
 
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Rox

Your place looks great. All lot of people up here in Eastern Washington use grape vines for the shade. I have a friend who used hops and it works really well. When I finish the pergola I am working on I'll just use shade cloth so I can take it down in winter.

Harvey

I like the little bites idea. I have been working on a pergola since a month before Mother's day (it was 'supposed" to be done in about a month). Then I hit rock and then overtime at work started and I am taking little bites. Of course we may have had a bit of "project growth" in the mix too. :D
 

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