Tire bead
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dirtworksequip
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Deerlope, you lost me on this one? I thought you were wanting to fix it yourself. Were you just wanting to know what technique the dealer might use to seat the bead???
Sincerely, Dirt
Sincerely, Dirt
Sorry for the confusion but a few post back I stated that my dealer was working on it. If he couldn't get it seated it meant that I would have to. My dealer likes to sell new and is not real good at fixing anything. But he's all we got around here. You can not pay a mechanic who has been with them 5 years at the rate of 8 bucks an hour. Nobody stay there very long. So with that being said I like to know how to do things my self.
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Deerlope, thanks for the explaination. I was just curious as to what was going on. Glad you got it fixed and hopefully you learned how to DIY by reading everyone's comments.
Sincerely, Dirt
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Bedlam
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Train I believe it has to do with the oxygen inside the tire being consumed so quickly that it pushes the tire onto the rim.
I have viewed many many U tubes on this and find this one to be the smoothest yet
YouTube - Tire Mounting 101
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UFGYn7QOZY&feature=related
My assumption is that the fluid needs to be inside the tire and not just sprayed around the bead.
Also. allot of these videos they are doing it to tires that clearly would bead set without the method, But I guess its either for demonstration or pure fun.
At any rate the one where the tire actually burns are definitely incorrect.
I look forward to someones detailed description of just what happens..
YouTube - Tire explosion slow
I have viewed many many U tubes on this and find this one to be the smoothest yet
YouTube - Tire Mounting 101
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UFGYn7QOZY&feature=related
My assumption is that the fluid needs to be inside the tire and not just sprayed around the bead.
Also. allot of these videos they are doing it to tires that clearly would bead set without the method, But I guess its either for demonstration or pure fun.
At any rate the one where the tire actually burns are definitely incorrect.
I look forward to someones detailed description of just what happens..
YouTube - Tire explosion slow
Iplayfarmer
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What you need to seat a bead is rapidly expanding gasses. That's why those bead seating tanks work. You compress air to 100 PSI or so and then let it expand rapidly into the tire.
An explosion is rapidly expanding gasses. When the Ether burns it goes from liquid hydrocarbon to Gasseous combustion byproducts very quickly. What you've done is filled the tire rapidly with these combustion byproducts. The gas expands faster than it can escape out the gap between the wheel and the bead, and as a result the tire expands until the bead makes contact with the wheel and seats.
The heat helps a little to expand the gasses too. That's why in a lot of these videos you see the guy hustling to get air into the tire before the tire cools and the bead releases.
alchemysa
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Home compressors often have trouble delivering air fast enough to pop a bead. One handy trick is to unscrew and remove the valve stem from the rubber valve neck (or whatever its called). You'll usually get the air in faster that way. And (although I havent tried this) it might also help to use the air cleaning jet attachment rather that the standard tyre inflator attachment. Once the tyre bead pops into place you can let the air out and put the valve stem back in.
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Next time take it to a truck stop shop, for semi repairs.
They have the bead seating tanks.
They are filled to 160 psi, and exit out a 2" ball valve very sudden, and strap as well to assist.
I tried the ether, and didn't have much more than a fire at 30 below 0.
A box of M-80's may have worked better.
In your case out too far from tire service, I'd just get any inner tube that
can be shoved in it to get it done. Then after it's been on a while, then use metal valve stem.
I may even use a tire gel to self seal small leaks.
Cleaned up rust at bead of rim if any, then I apply over pits on rim with 3M yellow trim adhesive, fully cured, then seat the tire.
That's the last time it slow leaks.
They have the bead seating tanks.
They are filled to 160 psi, and exit out a 2" ball valve very sudden, and strap as well to assist.
I tried the ether, and didn't have much more than a fire at 30 below 0.
A box of M-80's may have worked better.
In your case out too far from tire service, I'd just get any inner tube that
can be shoved in it to get it done. Then after it's been on a while, then use metal valve stem.
I may even use a tire gel to self seal small leaks.
Cleaned up rust at bead of rim if any, then I apply over pits on rim with 3M yellow trim adhesive, fully cured, then seat the tire.
That's the last time it slow leaks.
brianMO
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I wanted to resurrect this old thread because I beat myself up last night trying to set the bead on my ATV rear tires. I used the starting fluid method and got one of them but the other is squeezed out of shape and could not get it to go. I tried the strap, my wife as the 3rd hand (that usually no fun). I finally gave up and through it in my truck to see if my local garage could do it for me. Any good tricks for this?
As said Removing the valve stem allows for More air to the tire quicker setting the bead . Also , allthough it Might not work with all air hose Quick connects , on Mine I dont use the Air thing that goes in the end of the hose , But Slip the disconnect directlly over the valve itself It allows the air in there much quicker .
During the winter months I also use a torpedo heater to heat the tire as well as soften the rubber .
I also use a cable come along around the outside of the tire . On a really big tractor tire I,m not sure this would even work , But I haven,t had to change any of them . Its worked for Me for years , on Big truck tires & Medium to small tractors . Bob
During the winter months I also use a torpedo heater to heat the tire as well as soften the rubber .
I also use a cable come along around the outside of the tire . On a really big tractor tire I,m not sure this would even work , But I haven,t had to change any of them . Its worked for Me for years , on Big truck tires & Medium to small tractors . Bob
The Haymaker
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There's always acetylene instead of starter fluid!
tommu56
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I a couple of weeks ago with an flat atv tire and used a small bike tube inflated in the bead to to stem the air flow and it got pushed out when bead started up to seat. and sealed i had tried the ratchet strap trick but it wouldn't move out
of drop center area. I'm too chicken to try the ether trick after braking a hand mounting a trailer tire with air tire 12 years ago.
tom
of drop center area. I'm too chicken to try the ether trick after braking a hand mounting a trailer tire with air tire 12 years ago.
tom
woodchuckie
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Now that's an idea i'll try next time. You could even leave it on the inside if it didn't push out while inflating.
RAF
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This is what I have done with all the mounts that won't take with air. I always use soapy water and slop it around bead and rim take the valve out of the stem strap the tire. Give it a full shot of air with out the air chuck (just use the coupler) push it on the air will come out. If that fails I soap it up again and hit it with starting fluid. With the valve out I haven't messed up a tire yet. Oh ya don't put your finger over the stem!!!!! Have the air chuck on and put some air in and than put the valve in. I have had to use starting fluid about 5 times large and small tires. When all else fails this has worked every time. Learned this from someone who has set hundreds of tires this way.
