Tired Ford 3000 engine......

[Soundguy]

If you run into any grey areas, At home I have the tele# to a guy in OH that rebuilds SOS trannies, has many salvage and NOS parts, as well as lots of tech info on them.

Soundguy

 

[RobS]

Interesting project and a VERY interesting machine!

This is off topic, and maybe you could start a new thread to respond, but how the heck does a grape picker work!?!

 

[Kaliburz]

Interesting project and a VERY interesting machine!

This is off topic, and maybe you could start a new thread to respond, but how the heck does a grape picker work!?!

Well, if you look at Ebay #7584322387 and 300003697399 (later model Chisholm, all hydraulic) you'll see more pics. The one w/ the Ford on top, has better pics. The harvester drives over the grape row (which if you did not know, grows on a trellis system). When you look at the pictures, you see the tunnel that goes over the row. On the bottom there is those white plastic sheets that overlap each other. They are spring loaded and allow the posts/plants to go by. The rods near the front, looks like fingers, two sets, front and rear do the harvesting. They osilate left and right and this swaying action "taps"/"vibrates" on the grape plant/wire which essentially shakes them off. Mind you, the RPM of the hydraulic motor that runs the "beating heads" is going about 300. The grapes that fall on the sheets get diverted to a belt next to the sheets, which moves the grapes toward the back, to the second set of belts. The third set moves the grapes up the machine to a belt that eventually moves it to the convayor that dumps into a trailer being towed by a tractor one row over.

 

[Kaliburz]

If you run into any grey areas, At home I have the tele# to a guy in OH that rebuilds SOS trannies, has many salvage and NOS parts, as well as lots of tech info on them.

Soundguy

I think I'll take you up on that offer on the guy in OH.

I ended up chatting w/ the S-O-S "experts". They work on them all the time on the harvesters. The young guy seems to laugh when I told him that when I mention "Select-O-Speed", people cringe. Said you just have to know how to use them and mechanics have to know how to rebuild them "right". His father told me that SOS parts are getting hard to find. I might "stock up" on one or two items that he said are difficult to find now- if the price is right and if that guy in OH has them.

I received the answer to my question- Will the 3000 SOS tranny be able to handle the engine from a 4630 Ford?

YES!

So, looks like tomorrow I go down to the NH dealer and buy myself an engine......

 

[Soundguy]

I sent you a PM with the info.

thanks

Soundguy

 

[RobS]

Thanks for the info Kaliburz, that's a pretty good explaination. There are a lot of vinyards around here, along Lake Michigan's coast. I've seen these machines but never quite knew how they worked.

Thanks again and good luck with your project

 

[CMunger]

If you want more HP this suggestion does'nt matter, but the Ford blocks are usually bored and resleeved back to standard, this is common even if the block is not damaged like yours, so yours probably could be repaired. The later 4 cylinders had poures blocks and machine shops wanted to install a thick sleeve to prevent cavataion erosion, resulting in, water in the oil. Don't worry Soundguy you have a later Genisis engine and I think the casting procedures were changed (Good Engines).

 

[Soundguy]

I use the fw-15 anti cavitation addative as my manual states... so cavitation and electrolysis is low on my list of worries.

I'd have sugested he overbore and sleave.. but it's obvious that he really wants a new higher hp engine.. not a rebuilt same hp engine.. so I just let that issue go. Me personally? I'd bore and repair... but then.. I like stock setups.. etc. I'm more of a collector.. etc.

Soundguy

 

[Kaliburz]

The early Chisholm Ryder's w/ the 3000 were underpowered according to the guy that I talked to the other day. If you had any type of incline (hill), it taxed the engine. The 4000's did better, but most who had them were pushing the limit still. Heck, I remember that when it ran into mud in the vineyard, they had to shut off the PTO/hydraulic system to get enough power to drive out.

The repair shop I talked to the other day had a 4000 engine available for rebuild. He estimated $3500 to rebuild that engine, since it was an older one that was RnR-ed. And I'm not sure if that includes installing it up into the machine. A lot of people pulled out the 3000 engine and swapped to the 4000 according to him. I guess I'm just taking it one step further....

While I was at their shop the other day, they had a newer harvester (4000 on top) that they just "fixed". The owner purchased a rebuilt 4000 tractor w/ the SOS tranny and told them to swap out the 4000 that was on the harvester. So they split the tranny and axle and put it up there.....

I've thought about taking the spare rebuilt SOS I have, having that shop look at it and then installing it w/ the new engine. Just in case the "current" SOS might have an issue. It was just a thought....

This machine has been picking our grapes since my father asked the original owner back in the early 1970's. It was sold twice by the original owner (original 2nd owner ran it, but missed payments, so he took it back). The "2nd" 2nd owner ran it for years and I bought it from him. So technically, I'd be the third/forth owner.

I plan to keep the old engine. Sentimental value (core is only $800). I'm friends with the original owner's grandson (never knew him as a kid, only met him at the local community college when we both went there). I'll put it back together after I pull it down for storage. Plan on rebuilding it eventually....maybe to put it into service as a stationary motor (if I can find the PTO setup for them).

(I'll grab my digital and take pics of my machine/engine and post them.)

PS- I'm told the 4630 engines have 'real' glow plugs! I suppose that harvester will be working for another 30+ years after this refit...... Gotta give them credit though....its been running for 38 years, well over 12,000 hours.

"Old work horses never die....they keep getting resurected over and over....."

 

[Kaliburz]

Here are some pics. Not sure if the pics will show the gouges that well. Summer thunder shower a few days ago..... the plastic over blew off and some water got into the bore.....

Edit-
The 4630 engine has the same "pre heater" as this does. I suppose they call any thing a "glow plug" if it heats the engine..... I'm gonna put a coolent heater also.

It's suppose to be here next week..... a long w/ a few other parts. Gives me just enough time to make my forklift hoist and remove the old engine.