Traction Tires??

[Rutman]

Looking at used kubota b2400 with turf tires.

Can R4’s be mounted on these rims?

If yes, then what’s a ballpark price to purchase R4’s and have them mounted?

 

[oosik]

I will not guarantee my answer regarding the rims but I do think you will need new rims if you go to R4's. Every thread I've ever seen on changing tire types - they always buy rim/tire sets.

If your B2400 is 4WD - then tire size MUST be taken into consideration. STRONGLY suggest consultation with your Kubota dealer in this area.

Price is like anything else - Sets of four tires mounted on new rims - - anywhere from $2250 to over $4000.

And like most everything - you will get what you pay for.

 

[Diggin It]

I was wondering where to put this. Thought about the Slippery Slope tread, but that's about mitigating a drainage issue. This isn't really a puncture or strength issue, so it doesn't really go on the Ag vs R4 puncture thread. It isn't really LS specific either so ......

I found out R4s do NOT like my mud. This is on a fairly steep slope, but not my worst. This is in Low, 4WD and DiffLock:




It went most of the way, but I ended up having to back down. Tried another spot adjacent, same issue. Had to move to a different area to get up the hill.

To be fair, this mud is so slick it's hard to walk on safely. Some sort of clay/soil mix that gets slicker'n snail snot as the saying goes. Also, this area was worked a few weeks back to move some dirt around while practicing with the hoe and loader, so it is not fully stabilized and they really isn't much turf established. Also, I had both the FEL and BH on as well as the MMM.

Not in a position to afford a spare set of R1s on wheels and I'm not even sure they would work in this case.

Any thoughts on chains?

Hopefully by next Winter I'll have better turf here and it won't be as much of an issue. But who knows.

 

[Gary Fowler]

Looking at used kubota b2400 with turf tires.

Can R4’s be mounted on these rims?

If yes, then what’s a ballpark price to purchase R4’s and have them mounted?

R4 tires are only slightly better in mud than turf tires. If you need mud traction, go for a set of R1 tires/rims. No R4 nor R3 nor R1 tires will fit on turf rims, so you would have to buy new (or used) rims to go with your tires.

 

[Rutman]

My concern with the turfs is using a box scrape for driveway maintenance. Mainly uphill.

 

[herm0016]

I put ATV tires on my small tractor, and love them. They don't tear up the grass and still work in the mud of our gravel drive or in a wet field very well.

is yours 4wd or 2wd?

I have seen a 2400 with mud terrain tires from a truck/suv on it. Not sure about the wheel, but I think the turfs have a similar bead to a road tire. I think the goodyear MTR or the Dick Cepek extream country would be good choices. they are available in a 33 12.5 15.

v bar chains will help, but they will destory any pavement you have if used on it regularly.

 

[jeff9366]

My concern with the turfs is using a box scrape for driveway maintenance. Mainly uphill.

I assume your prospective tractor has 4-WD.

I think the turfs will serve you just as well as R4 types. At least try them.

Remove the Loader and more weight will transfer to the rear wheels/tires, increasing traction somewhat during uphill pulls. The turf tires have more "float" pulling uphill too.

You cannot mount R4/industrial tires on turf tire rims.

 

[Rutman]

Thanks guys.

 

[Threepoint]

Rutman, I too say try the turfs for awhile before giving any further thought to swapping them out. I think you'll do just fine with them, especially if your concern is with using a box blade on your hilly driveway. You'll actually get better traction than R4s on a compacted stone driveway, also on rough ice and in shallow snow (say up to around five or six inches), because they have more "purchase" (tread surface contacting the ground), and usually a slightly softer composition. My B2150 has turfs and I pushed snow with a rear blade and graded a mile of crusher run access road and driveway, some parts hilly, with a box blade for a couple of decades. A neighbor with R4s on one of his tractors, an M6040, and has to put on chains. His JD1055 with turfs does well without them in the same conditions. Sometimes I think people tend to opt for R4s more for their rugged look compared to turfs than their utility.

 

[Diggin It]

That same area is still muddy, but only a damp mud, no longer the shiny slick mud it was. I can now run up and down over it with no problems.

 

[John_Mc]

If the tractor came with turf tires, I'd stick with them and just put on chains if you need more traction in mud. Double ring chains are probably the best in mud (farmers use them even on their Ag tires, if they need to work in muddy conditions): The double rings make them largely self-cleaning. However, they are not as good as other styles of chains in other situations (such as ice and snow).

I've never used double ring chains myself. I have used ladder style chains, duo-grip chains and "European style" chains all on my NH TC 33D (all of them had v-bars or studs on them, since I was concerned about traction on ice and in the forest). So I've had a pretty good experience with what the pros and cons of each are all on the same tractor. I posted somewhere on here a fairly lengthy description of my chain saga. If you are interested, check out this post on my experience with these style chains

 

[Tractorable]

If we’re honest, turf tires have a lot going for them. Better traction in snow than R4’s, great for use with chains, minimal damage to your lawn, maximum weight when filled with fluid.

I’ll probably still go with R4’s on my new tractor just because they look cool.

 

[Texasmark]

I went the other way on my 2400. Rears were 12x16.5 6 ply F4s and went to 33x12.5x16.5 4 ply turfs. Titan Tire Co. had the tires so I went to my local "5th generation have any kind of tire" store and ordered a pair. Price was $260 each and shipping was free as he just had them added to the freight truck that visits him every week and I waited about a week to get them.

Interestingly enough, the lugs on these tires are about ｾ inch long and pretty good spacing between dots of rubber. I find that I have about the same traction as I had with OEM F4s which wasn't much. Having tried to learn how to farm for some 40 years, I find that Industrials are made for industrial applications, not farm. If you want traction get F1s.

 

[Diggin It]

^^ While the R1s may have helped me get uphill on the slicker mud, they would likely have dug in and made deeper ruts that would be harder to repair next Spring.

 

[John_Mc]

^^ While the R1s may have helped me get uphill on the slicker mud, they would likely have dug in and made deeper ruts that would be harder to repair next Spring.

That's one of the two main reasons I don't have R1 tires on my tractor: they can cut themselves a pretty good trench. I try to avoid going on my trails in conditions like that, but sometimes I don't have a choice. The other is that R4s are generally tougher and stand up to grinding around in my rocky woods better. (Yes, I know I could shop around and find other styles with higher ply ratings, but I could also find an R4 with a higher ply rating if I were going that way.) I do agree that for field work, it's hard to beat R1 tires.