Toyota the most dependable vehicle

   / Toyota the most dependable vehicle #11  
Billy,
I agree with you. I think the first 90 day thing is very misleading. Lets hear it for the first 100,000 miles.

imho I rate Honda first, Toyota second for long life reliability.
 
   / Toyota the most dependable vehicle #12  
I like Honda, I like Toyota, I like Nissan somewhat less. Every Toyota I have ever driven has a "Toyota feel". The Accord we test drove when I tried to convince my wife she did not want a Jeep was a wonderful car but ever--ever--ever-so very slightly less smooth. Could have been my imagination.
Whatever, not to start another anti-Jap thread, both of my Toyotas have been 0 defect from day one. I drove my little truck off the lot and it has NEVER required any repairs and never went in for any adjustments in the first 150,000 miles. The only repair made was due to a drunk pulling in front of me and that ruined a bumper and a radiator and fender. Let's say it again--it never was in the shop for anything for 150,000 miles except for the fender bender.
My Tundra is now 50,000 miles. It drove off the lot and has never been back for anything. I recently had some upgrades including a new high performance limited slip, locker and a lift kit and bigger tires and a TRD supercharger installed with a new black box, also , green Line-X bed, new bed caps, new coilover front shocks and other stuff. This was done by myself and a private shop with a respected mechanic. I figured I would have some problems --nope----smooth as ever. I fully expect this truck to require no service until the belt change at approximately 90,000 miles. The little truck has a chain. I cannot complain about 0 defect.
My brother had a Nissan Hardbody I guess it was that ran I think 300,000 miles--I forget exactly--getting old.
I am sure there are horror stories and good stories for nearly every vehicle--BUT--anyone who persists in fooling themselves into believeing that Toyota and Honda are not KING of the Hill when it comes to low repair and reliability, well, they are kidding themselves. AND, most of their cars have very good crash ratings. The Tundra scored the highest crash rating of a truck--it is fact, a crash that was fatal in the F150 was a walkaway in the Tundra and I posted the link here way back so I am not doing it again and I understand the Camery and Accord also recently scored very well in similar tests, side and front impacts, and the Tacoma did well in the midsize fleet. MPG--both Toyota and Honda have numerous, safe, reliable cars that get excellent fuel econonomy if that matters--AND--most of them are made in the USA.
Lot's of good vehicles to choose from but not much variety any more. J
 
   / Toyota the most dependable vehicle #13  
3Bird ... I have a '98 Tacomo 4x4 ... its approaching 85,000 and so far no major probs. I have a short in the radio though.

Does your manual say to replace the Timing Belt at 90k? Far as I know, the 3RZ in my 4 banger has no belt replacement schedule.
 
   / Toyota the most dependable vehicle #14  
The wife and I have had our share of new vehicles but very little warranty work required.

1979 Mazda GLC. No warranty work
1981 Datsun Pickup. Blown head gasket at 25,000 miles
1985 Nissan Sentra Wagon. No warranty work.
1988 Chevy Silverado. No warranty work.
1991 Nissan Hardbody 4x4. No warranty work.
1995 Honda Accord. No warranty work
1997 Honda Accord. No warranty work.
1998 Chevy Cheyenne. No warranty work
2001 Honda CRV. No warranty work.
2003 Chevy P/U Silverado Z71. SES light came on. Replaced some type of canister?
 
   / Toyota the most dependable vehicle #15  
I believed in the invincibility of Toyotas from reading Consumers Report when I bought the first Camry, a 1983 model, delivered to our town. It was the worst initial quality vehicle I ever bought. I had problems from the start with the engine computer, brakes, A/C, power antenna and then later on with the spark igniter and timing belt, both leaving my wife stranded with a dead Toyota on the side of the road.

On the other hand, my former boss is driving a later model Camry he got while in college. It has 300k on it and he claims to have never done more than change oil and timing belts on the engine.

My wife’s 2003 Nissan Altima has 27k on it and has 0 problems so far, though I’m sure someone can tell of their bad experience with one of these too.

You may reduce your chances of having problems with one brand over another but there is no such thing as the “supreme brand” that is guaranteed to be perfect and give you no trouble.
 
   / Toyota the most dependable vehicle #16  
No belts. 1 cam chain,1 balance shaft chain. 3rz. is an outstanding power plant. 96 taco- 68000 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Toyota the most dependable vehicle #17  
"anyone who persists in fooling themselves into believeing that Toyota and Honda are not KING of the Hill when it comes to low repair and reliability, well, they are kidding themselves."

I was interested in a Sequoia. Test drove a brandy-new one. Several things didn't work on the vehicle - and this was their DEMO!

Second, you don't buy the statistical average. You buy a specific car. In the event you buy a complete POS, it doesn't change the average, and the average isn't going to make you feel any better at that point, either. This is a common statistics misunderstanding - while your *chances* of buying a problem are randomly distributed throughout a given vehicle population, chance is no longer operable when you're considering an actual vehicle. It either has problems or it doesn't. No chance involved. The only way to deal with it at that point is to test and inspect to the limits of your will and ability to pay, and the dealer's.

Here's a hint - the dealer isn't going to want to play the detailed inspection game, he could usually care less - warranty work, while not always as profitable as other work, is still revenue and keeps the staff employed. And since we're talking about surveys, he'll probably still talk most people into returning the survey without reporting the problems, given what a good job he's doing "taking care" of you.
 
   / Toyota the most dependable vehicle #18  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( 3Bird ... I have a '98 Tacomo 4x4 ... its approaching 85,000 and so far no major probs. I have a short in the radio though.

Does your manual say to replace the Timing Belt at 90k? Far as I know, the 3RZ in my 4 banger has no belt replacement schedule.

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Yes it does have a replacement schedule and I think it is 90,000 miles.

I don't really buy into the whole lemon thing. I believe lemons are created by an undesireable confluence of human personality traits and vehicular traits. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif J
 
   / Toyota the most dependable vehicle #19  
The Toyota Camry is built in Georgetown KY, not Japan.
 
   / Toyota the most dependable vehicle #20  
Aint no such thing as a timing belt on a 98 3RZ! There is a chain with hyd. tensioner that should last as long as the motor. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 

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