Tractor Sizing Tractor pto for 7 foot cutter

   / Tractor pto for 7 foot cutter #41  
TNWV How do you like your kodiak cutter? I have a 7' hd pulling with my jd5075e. I have tore the skid shoe off one side and bent both tail wheels bush hogging.Sure i have backed into some trees. ha. I have to bush hog some woody places. I think I will go with a Brown on my next one though.
So far, it has worked very well for me. It's taken a few hits but no dents or bends yet. I mostly use it on over grown grassy areas and light brush, but do occasionally take out some decent size saplings, mostly pine. It seems well built to me, but my only other experience is with a light duty 5' King Kutter. It is stored mostly indoors, so no rust yet. I probably have 70-80 hours of use on it. For the price, I'm very happy with it.

If I had it to do over, I would buy the brand again, but I'd get the 10' pull type.
 
   / Tractor pto for 7 foot cutter #42  
It's funny how most of us can back up a trailer in our sleep, but we worry about backing up a pull-type mower. When you think about it, it doesn't make a lot of sense..

Backing my batwing is not a big deal.. I can back it down a row in the barn.. noy backing it onto a trailer IS a big deal.. and the same big deal I imagine what most folks are worried about.. vs just general backing.

Another advantage of the pull-type on hills is not having a heavy cutter hanging off the 3 point hitch making the front end of the tractor light.

if on a hill.. that 3pt mower should be onthe ground.. not hoisted up aiming at the sky. ;)
 
   / Tractor pto for 7 foot cutter #43  
For me, 3PH vs pull type has little to do with backing.

If I could guarantee that the only thing I would ever use it for was open pasture with no foreign debris, then it would be fine. But using mine for business, I like to be able to raise it all the way up in a moments notice if I hit something. Stump, fencing, chunk of concrete, bicycle, etc. And also having the ability to to raise it, back over, and lower it onto thick brush/briar patches.

So the choice of 3PH vs Pull should be made AFTER you analyze what you will be cutting.

Now as to cutter size and HP. First and foremost, it isnt an exact science. All cutting conditions are different. And no matter how much HP you have, or how small of a cutter, you will always find some conditions that will bog it down. As evident that some on here state a 7' is a load with 70hp. (10HP per ft). Even if you double that and go 20hp per ft, there are going to be times it is a load.

I run a heavy 6' cutter with 29 PTO HP. And while there are many times I get into thick stuff that will slow me down to 3rd gear (2 MPH), FAR more often I am slowed down by terrain being just too bumpy. I like mowing in 6th gear, which is 5.3 MPH. And frequently have to slow to 5th (4.1 MPH) just because it is too bumpy, or am maneuvering around trees, buildings, etc.

My point is simple. It is my opinion to get the biggest cutter you can run in lighter conditions. Cause you can always slow down. IF you size the cutter for heavy conditions, there is a limit to how fast you can speed up when conditions are light. Those guys running 7 and 8' cutters with 70-80HP, thats fine if you are always cutting heavy stuff. But what about something like this? I was able to mow 6th gear, 5.3 MPH, with 29HP and 6' and it wasnt a load at all. I have no doubt that I could have pulled an 8' cutter just as fast.

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With 80HP and an 8' cutter, In theory you could go faster. BUT, terrain wouldnt permit much more.

These are just my opinions and observations based on mowing 400+/- acres over the last few years in every type of condition imaginable. And while some may thinl 6' is too much for my 29HP, I have cut some really nasty thick stuff and still have never had to touch 1st and 2nd gear.

You would also be surprised at just how much less power is required by mowing just a 1/2" or 1" higher.

I am actually considering upsizing my mowing outfit as well. And will likely be an 8' twin (for towing purposes), and the L4600 or MX5100 is about the size I would go with.
 
   / Tractor pto for 7 foot cutter #44  
For me, 3PH vs pull type has little to do with backing.

If I could guarantee that the only thing I would ever use it for was open pasture with no foreign debris, then it would be fine. But using mine for business, I like to be able to raise it all the way up in a moments notice if I hit something. Stump, fencing, chunk of concrete, bicycle, etc. And also having the ability to to raise it, back over, and lower it onto thick brush/briar patches.

My pull behind has hydraulic lift, and I can probably lift it as high or higher off the ground as any 3pt, and it lifts just as quickly. It also lifts on a cantilever design, so when it lifts, it stays level. It also gets closer to objects during turns (going around trees, etc.

Backing up and repositioning are probably the main disadvantages vs 3pt. I've used both, and I prefer both, depending on what I'm doing.
 
   / Tractor pto for 7 foot cutter #45  
I've used both, and I prefer both, depending on what I'm doing.

Thats the bottom line right there.

For what I do, its a 3PH. Easier trailering, can back over the edge of pond banks/streams to mow while the 3PH holds it, backing over dense brush (cause a 3PH raises the tailwheel lots higher which is a plus) AND i dont have remotes. Plus it doubles as a really good counter weight when lifting heavy things:thumbsup:

If I was a landowner mowing my own pastures, I'm sure I'd like a pull behind better for ease of hook-up.
 
   / Tractor pto for 7 foot cutter #46  
My pull behind has hydraulic lift, and I can probably lift it as high or higher off the ground as any 3pt, and it lifts just as quickly. It also lifts on a cantilever design, so when it lifts, it stays level. It also gets closer to objects during turns (going around trees, etc.

Backing up and repositioning are probably the main disadvantages vs 3pt. I've used both, and I prefer both, depending on what I'm doing.

yep.. my jd 1517 batwing lifts pretty darn high and lifts level ( leveling rods ) as it lifts.
 
   / Tractor pto for 7 foot cutter #47  
My pull behind has hydraulic lift, and I can probably lift it as high or higher off the ground as any 3pt, and it lifts just as quickly. It also lifts on a cantilever design, so when it lifts, it stays level. It also gets closer to objects during turns (going around trees, etc.

Backing up and repositioning are probably the main disadvantages vs 3pt. I've used both, and I prefer both, depending on what I'm doing.

Can you get yours like this? :D

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...d1408914966-hydraulic-top-link-toplink-03-jpg
 
   / Tractor pto for 7 foot cutter #49  
Thats the perfect angle for backing over brush and briars.:thumbsup:

Also good angle for trailer loading.

And a darned good argument for a hydraulic top link!
 
   / Tractor pto for 7 foot cutter #50  
Yea, wish I had some remotes. My next tractor, whatever it is, will have at least 3.
 

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