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/ Trailer Advice Needed #21  
Very good point about axle placement. That is the biggest complaint I have heard with tilt deck trailers. It's tough to get the load balanced and tougher with a minimal tow vehicle to not exceed the too much tongue weight issue.

Chris

Just an FYI, As Chris and others have mentioned that axle placement on a tilt bed is important.
My 22' PJ tilt bed is hinged toward the back. Axle placement is in line with a non tilt trailer.
On my previous H&H tilt bed the axles were further forward but with a 20' deck I had plenty of room to balance the load. Attached are my PJ and H&H. I'd guess the PJ is a 60/40 placement maybe more. The H&H was maybe 55/45. H&H is the one with 5 lug wheels. I have not had any problem balancing a load on either trailer.
 

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#22  
I see what you're talking about with axle placement. I think that I'd prefer to get the axles farther back, so I'll look for that in a trailer. It seems like the trailers with a section of stationary deck get you that.
 
/ Trailer Advice Needed #23  
I use a 16' bed trailer for my Kubota. It has fold up ramps, so I can have stuck stick between them or take them off easily if I need to overhang and the loader can go over the front too if i want. It's about the right length for that type of tractor. You'll probably want to use that as a minimum. Mine is way more heavy duty than I need. I bought used, spent about $1,000 and put 4 tires on it and a new deck, so I'm into it for under $1,500 and have a great trailer that I could make money on for the resale. It takes a bit of legwork, but you can definitely save money used, especially if you're willing to do simple jobs like tires, lights or a redeck. I use PT pine for a deck (not good if you have tracked machines, but fine on a tractor).

Random stuff I'd make sure to think about:
Pintle hook - a good heavy duty setup, makes it easy to move around the yard and easy to hook up
Adjustable hook - So you can adjust based on what you are towing with and tongue weight
Front toolbox - Really useful for your chains or ratchet straps and other misc. Make sure it locks
Ramps - Metal fold down ones are descent, a tilt trailer is probably great for some things. If you get fold down ones make sure they have the supports on them so the tow vehicle doesn't have all the weight pulling up on it
 
/ Trailer Advice Needed #24  
I see what you're talking about with axle placement. I think that I'd prefer to get the axles farther back, so I'll look for that in a trailer. It seems like the trailers with a section of stationary deck get you that.

Just make sure your truck has the rear suspension to handle the tongue load. Chris
 
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I'm bringing this back from the dead.

I've had a winter to think about it and I'm still convinced I want a hydraulic tilt trailer.

A lot of you recommended more capacity than I was looking for. Some people talked about the stationary section at the front.

I've taken all of that to heart and I'm planning to head down to Milan (~2 hours) to look at this trailer on Saturday:

20' x 6" Channel Equipment Tilt | Flatbed, Dump, Utility, and Enclosed Cargo Trailers for Sale in Milan Michigan

Opinions? Anything I should look out for?
 
/ Trailer Advice Needed #26  
It is a good brand, but looks like a lot of rear overhang.

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They don't show a complete side view, so it is hard to tell.

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#27  
Counting the stake pockets and guessing at it, I'd say the axles are right about in the middle of the (complete) deck. I count four stake pockets in front of the fenders and three behind, but then there is the inverted beavertail that probably makes that section about the same length.
 
/ Trailer Advice Needed #28  
I'm bringing this back from the dead.

I've had a winter to think about it and I'm still convinced I want a hydraulic tilt trailer.

A lot of you recommended more capacity than I was looking for. Some people talked about the stationary section at the front.

I've taken all of that to heart and I'm planning to head down to Milan (~2 hours) to look at this trailer on Saturday:

20' x 6" Channel Equipment Tilt | Flatbed, Dump, Utility, and Enclosed Cargo Trailers for Sale in Milan Michigan

Opinions? Anything I should look out for?

Not much to look out for as it's a new trailer. I'd say it's the gravity tilt model T6. I have the powered full tilt 14K 22' (TF) model and like it a lot.
Go on PJ's site and use the 360* view mode and magnify the pic. I count 5 pockets in front of the axles and maybe 3 behind.
 

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I'm going to try to find out the axle placement today. When you say 55/45, 60/40 or whatever, do you mean in the deck or in the overall length of the trailer?

The trailer I'm looking at is a 20' power-tilt with 4' stationary at the front.

It's 14k# GVWR, which is WAY more than I need (My truck won't pull anything close to that) but according to the dealer it only weighs 3340# empty. With that, I can haul my tractor and a couple implements or any of our cars without overloading my pickup. It would even haul my father-in-law's Case 95 if I used his truck, although I'll probably never have a reason to do that.

The same trailer with a lighter frame and a 10k# GVWR weighs ~750# less. That would actually increase my towing capabilities right now (because I'm limited by my truck and not the trailer) and save me some money, but it wouldn't future-proof the purchase.

Thoughts?
 
/ Trailer Advice Needed #30  
I'm going to try to find out the axle placement today. When you say 55/45, 60/40 or whatever, do you mean in the deck or in the overall length of the trailer?

The trailer I'm looking at is a 20' power-tilt with 4' stationary at the front.

It's 14k# GVWR, which is WAY more than I need (My truck won't pull anything close to that) but according to the dealer it only weighs 3340# empty. With that, I can haul my tractor and a couple implements or any of our cars without overloading my pickup. It would even haul my father-in-law's Case 95 if I used his truck, although I'll probably never have a reason to do that.

The same trailer with a lighter frame and a 10k# GVWR weighs ~750# less. That would actually increase my towing capabilities right now (because I'm limited by my truck and not the trailer) and save me some money, but it wouldn't future-proof the purchase.

Thoughts?

The 60/40 means 60% of the deck is in front of the centerline between both axles and 40% behind. You need more weight in front of the axles for better tongue weight. My 14K is also way more than I need or my truck can legally tow but I can always borrow a bigger truck if I need to haul max capacity of the trailer.
 
/ Trailer Advice Needed #31  
It's 14k# GVWR, which is WAY more than I need (My truck won't pull anything close to that) but according to the dealer it only weighs 3340# empty. With that, I can haul my tractor and a couple implements or any of our cars without overloading my pickup. It would even haul my father-in-law's Case 95 if I used his truck, although I'll probably never have a reason to do that.

The same trailer with a lighter frame and a 10k# GVWR weighs ~750# less. That would actually increase my towing capabilities right now (because I'm limited by my truck and not the trailer) and save me some money, but it wouldn't future-proof the purchase.

Thoughts?

I have two thoughts:

1) That looks like a beautiful trailer!

2) For what it's worth, and this is coming from a relatively inexperienced forum member :D, I would just be cautious about the base weight of that trailer and the current towing capacity of your truck. I have a '14 GMC Sierra with the 5.3L that is rated for ~9800 and a 10K 20' Kaufman equipment trailer that the manufacturer claims weighs roughly 2900lbs.

I recently bought and towed a 2000 Land Rovery Discovery II home from Atlanta for my wife. The unmodified curb weight on the Land Rover is supposed to be around 4,500lbs. I would hazard with all the aftermarket equipment the previous owner added (ARB lockers, skid plates, roof rack, air tank, front/rear steel bumpers and running boards) that it is reasonable to say that the DISCO was easily north of 5K.

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My truck was able to tow the trailer and vehicle. However ~8K was getting into the range where I would not want to tow that much on a regular basis with my truck. I did purposely by a trailer that was over engineered and therefore heavier because I was tired of the cheap junk available in my area. Long story short, just be aware that you may run into some weight limitations more quickly than you might realize with a heavier trailer, especially if you are not upgrading your tow vehicle anytime soon.

Go look at it, and if it fits your needs buy and take pride in having a nice trailer. Best luck!
 
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#32  
I have two thoughts:

1) That looks like a beautiful trailer!

2) For what it's worth, and this is coming from a relatively inexperienced forum member :D, I would just be cautious about the base weight of that trailer and the current towing capacity of your truck. I have a '14 GMC Sierra with the 5.3L that is rated for ~9800 and a 10K 20' Kaufman equipment trailer that the manufacturer claims weighs roughly 2900lbs.

I recently bought and towed a 2000 Land Rovery Discovery II home from Atlanta for my wife. The unmodified curb weight on the Land Rover is supposed to be around 4,500lbs. I would hazard with all the aftermarket equipment the previous owner added (ARB lockers, skid plates, roof rack, air tank, front/rear steel bumpers and running boards) that it is reasonable to say that the DISCO was easily north of 5K.

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My truck was able to tow the trailer and vehicle. However ~8K was getting into the range where I would not want to tow that much on a regular basis with my truck. I did purposely by a trailer that was over engineered and therefore heavier because I was tired of the cheap junk available in my area. Long story short, just be aware that you may run into some weight limitations more quickly than you might realize with a heavier trailer, especially if you are not upgrading your tow vehicle anytime soon.

Go look at it, and if it fits your needs buy and take pride in having a nice trailer. Best luck!

That's the balance I'm trying to strike.

My tow vehicle is a 2003 Silverado 1500 HD. It has a 6.0L V8 and a towing capacity similar to yours (right at ~10k#). I like the truck and have no plans to replace it. I just rebuilt the entire front suspension, it has new brakes, new heavy-duty tires, etc. But since it's a 2003 with ~182k miles on it you never know when I'll have to let it go! I figure that I should get the bigger trailer now and a true 3/4 ton truck to match it when this one gives up the ghost.

In the meantime, my plans are to use the trailer to haul the tractor semi-locally (I have a friend with some projects about 50 miles away) and to haul cars to the track (possibly a lot farther away). None of the cars I'd be hauling around weigh over 3000#, so I won't be pushing the limits there.
 
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#33  
One more question.

What straps should I buy to strap down my tractor (and any cars I might want to haul). The tractor with loader is probably about 3000#. If I'm hauling it with the flail or box scraper on it you can add 5-700#. But I'll put a separate strap over the implement and probably also the bucket. So are 10,000# straps (with a 3300# working load limit) the right tool for the job? I want to be able to put one strap over the front axles and one through a heavy-duty clevis on the drawbar. That's how it was delivered to me and it seemed pretty slick.

Also, opinions on flat hooks vs. J-hooks?
 
/ Trailer Advice Needed #34  
One more question. What straps should I buy to strap down my tractor (and any cars I might want to haul). The tractor with loader is probably about 3000#. If I'm hauling it with the flail or box scraper on it you can add 5-700#. But I'll put a separate strap over the implement and probably also the bucket. So are 10,000# straps (with a 3300# working load limit) the right tool for the job? I want to be able to put one strap over the front axles and one through a heavy-duty clevis on the drawbar. That's how it was delivered to me and it seemed pretty slick. Also, opinions on flat hooks vs. J-hooks?

The straps you mentioned will be fine. Just make sure you use something to prevent abrasions. I use folded towels. I also have 4 axle straps. I bit mine all with J Hooks.

For heavier stuff I have 2 20' 5/16" G70 chains I cut in half making 4. I put snap hooks on the other ends and use Lever Binders.

Chris
 
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#35  
Big update. A buddy and I spent the whole day driving around the state yesterday. We visited a few large trailer dealers and talked on the phone to a few more. After playing with manual and power tiles on these "split deck" equipment trailers, I decided that manual tilt was the better choice for me. It's about the same speed as the power tilt, I don't have to worry about having a battery charged, and the tongue isn't filled up with boxes of pumps and batteries (so I have room for a tongue box full of straps and such).

We stopped at a dealer that had a 14k# GVWR trailer (I don't remember the brand and I tossed their brochures. They carried Bri-Mar, Big Tex, Corn Pro, etc.), but it was longer than I wanted and it had a hydraulic damping cylinder but the locking valve was on the cylinder itself. So to lock it in the "up" position you had to crawl to the middle of the trailer (under the tilted deck) and crank the valve down. Every other trailer I looked at had a valve at the side of the trailer. It was also way overbuilt. While that's normally a good thing, it meant that it weighed so much empty that it could actually haul a lot less than any of the other trailers we looked at.

The one we originally thought I'd be buying yesterday was this 14k# PJ T6, so we went to DR Trailer next:

20' x 6" Channel Equipment Tilt | Flatbed, Dump, Utility, and Enclosed Cargo Trailers for Sale in Milan Michigan

This was a nice trailer. I liked the design of the tilt lock mechanism. It had standard rub rails over the stake pockets. I compared that trailer to the 10k# GVWR T5 and to their 10k# full-tilt option. The only issue I had with this trailer was the small details. The reflective stickers going down the length of the frame were all peeling off. The dealer sticker was on at a crazy angle, this trailer had been used to haul another to the dealership so there were a couple of surface rust spots on the top of the frame where that trailer had been strapped down, and the deck material was not very nice. Lots of splits, gaps, etc. Nothing major, but a bit annoying. We called a couple other PJ dealers for prices and their price blew them out of the water.

So I was about ready to ignore the cosmetic flaws, go back, and tow it home when my friend found a good-sized Load Trail dealer about a half hour away. I decided that it would be good due-diligence to see what they had.

They had a Load Trail TD14, which is basically identical to the PJ T6 but without standard rub rails. It does have some D-rings on it instead. They also used a two-cylinder damping system, though it had a bit of "slop" in it. If you closed the valve while the deck was up, then stepped on the high-end, the deck would sag so that the tail was a few inches off the ground. The system probably needed bled. The lock mechanism for the deck wasn't as nice as the PJ, but it functioned just fine.

That dealer also had a Lamar trailer that was absolutely identical to the Load Trail, except it had rub rails (and the D-rings) and the "knife edge" didn't come down to as fine a point. Instead, there was about a 3/4" lip on the end. It had been on the lot since October so even though it retailed for a couple hundred more, he was willing to give it to me for a bit less than what he wanted for the Load Trail.

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Then we spotted the new Load Trail TL10. It's a low-profile tilt-deck trailer. The deck is six inches lower than the standard trailers, which I think will make it more pleasant to load and tow. It is a few inches wider between the fenders, which will be nice when it is used for cars. On the low-profile trailers, the stake pockets are in a raised rail that goes all the way around the deck and there are some standard D-rings. One nice thing is that the jack is much farther into the front of the tongue. That means you don't need that long crank to operate it and you can easily get to the jack foot. These trailers all have a quick-retract jack-foot that is really cool (way less cranking the jack), but you have to be able to reach a pin that is near the ground on the jack leg. We hooked the TL10 up to my truck and took it for a short tow to see what it was like. It tows nice. Empty, I didn't really know it was there. The only issue is that it's so low all you see in your side mirrors from most angles are the fenders. I looked at numbers for the TL10 and the TL14 (the 14k# version) and decided I had to have the TL14. Here's a link:

*NEW* Low-Profile Tandem Axle Tilt Deck 14,000 Lb 6" Channel Frame Load Trail Trailer Manufacturing

When the dealer and I were talking numbers, he originally said the TL14 would be $100 less than the TD14 I was looking at. When he looked it up, he saw he was mistaken and it was supposed to be $100 more, but said he'd give it to me for the lower price. I immediately accepted and it's on order. Unfortunately, I have to wait a looooong time for it to come so I had to postpone a couple of tows I already had planned. But I think it's worth the wait to get the right trailer.

I want to thank everybody for all the help. I've already ordered a 3PH trailer mover so I can get the thing into its (tight) parking spot when it finally shows up.
 
/ Trailer Advice Needed #36  
Congrats on placing your order for a trailer you want. Waiting is the hardest part.
 
/ Trailer Advice Needed #38  
Big update.


I want to thank everybody for all the help. I've already ordered a 3PH trailer mover so I can get the thing into its (tight) parking spot when it finally shows up.

Congratulations on finding what you really wanted! I'm sure you will be happy with it.

Now give us the nitty gritty. What was the set back?

For comparison purposes only you see.

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/ Trailer Advice Needed #39  
That is a really nice trailer...
Low profile with tilt and wider floor...
Very well built...
You did a very through job of evaluation...
Yes..
I am jealous too...
When you get it we've got to have some pics...
 
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Congratulations on finding what you really wanted! I'm sure you will be happy with it.

Now give us the nitty gritty. What was the set back?

For comparison purposes only you see.

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I ended up getting it for $4999 before tax, title and registration (another ~$520 here in MI for permanent plates).

We called another Load Trail dealer to get a comparison price and they wanted $6800 for the same trailer! We told them I'd been offered it cheaper elsewhere and they said that they had a bit of room. So I told them the price and they said they couldn't get anywhere near it and implied that we were lying.
 

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