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kerr,
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Tresspassers and Cable Gates.
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Kerr,
Mine is mine......I own it.....I earned it.....You want it?????Come offer me a fair price,and all those folks can come on your property and treat it to your satisfaction(no respect).I think we all may be inclined to take a dump in your front yard,seems you are okay with that.
Do you provide the T-shirts,or is it "bring your own"?
Mine is mine......I own it.....I earned it.....You want it?????Come offer me a fair price,and all those folks can come on your property and treat it to your satisfaction(no respect).I think we all may be inclined to take a dump in your front yard,seems you are okay with that.
Do you provide the T-shirts,or is it "bring your own"?
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Good Lord, Ranchman & dmccarty,
Lighten up. It seems Kerr has decent neighbors. I do too. Most people do. <font color=red>You</font color=red> are the exceptions. I only have a fence on one side, and that's just a left over from when someone ran stock either on my property or my neighbor's. One of my neighbors came tooling over in his new all-terrain golf cart a while back to see how my pole barn was coming along. He came right over the border without asking! I gave him a big ole sweet tater that I had just dug. Apparently you guys have some really crappy people in your area. I'm sorry about your troubles and I think you should deal with them as you see fit. All Kerr said was that most folks are OK. That's true around my area too. Why jump down his throat because you have problems?
Chuck
Lighten up. It seems Kerr has decent neighbors. I do too. Most people do. <font color=red>You</font color=red> are the exceptions. I only have a fence on one side, and that's just a left over from when someone ran stock either on my property or my neighbor's. One of my neighbors came tooling over in his new all-terrain golf cart a while back to see how my pole barn was coming along. He came right over the border without asking! I gave him a big ole sweet tater that I had just dug. Apparently you guys have some really crappy people in your area. I'm sorry about your troubles and I think you should deal with them as you see fit. All Kerr said was that most folks are OK. That's true around my area too. Why jump down his throat because you have problems?
Chuck
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WOW. Let me say that.
Kerr. I dont agree with you, but understand your point. You have had the fortunate benefit of nice people who have respected your land and privacy. Others here have not been so lucky.
I lived in the boonies long ago, my parents 9.5 acres butted up against a nice old german farm couples property of 180 acres. Always said you could hunt, walk be on it in general just repsect it. I did go out on it some times, but never did anything that would hurt it.
Now that I am a land owner I see what everyone here is saying. The bad apples are turning into a bad apple barrell. People today take and don't repay with anything.
This winter during hunting season my wife and I were on our property, I feel as though I should be able to be out there and not be worried about being SHOT. Well I saw someone on our land but didn't see how it was at first. The person came walking our way and it was my neighbor (to be). We talked a bit, nice fellow (his wife and kids are nice too). While we agreed that he could hunt this (past) season we agreed that we were not going to let hunting be allowed at all on our land. We have given him verbal permission to use our land as a cut between from his and the open land next to us. The terms are no shooting into it, out from it or on it. In general you can walk through and thats it. We feel that the wildlife should have some small safe haven.
I wonder if I have taken away something that he has enjoyed for a while. While I cut back his hunting grounds, he has repsected my feelings. I know there will be others who don't but that I can't help. I am an advocate for better gun control, I don't believe we should abolish them. I just feel that people don't respect what is not theirs.
If someone wants to fish, walk, hunt etc. they should ask, what is wrong with that. If the answer is no, then they have to live with it. But trespassing should carry stiffer fines.
Kerr. I dont agree with you, but understand your point. You have had the fortunate benefit of nice people who have respected your land and privacy. Others here have not been so lucky.
I lived in the boonies long ago, my parents 9.5 acres butted up against a nice old german farm couples property of 180 acres. Always said you could hunt, walk be on it in general just repsect it. I did go out on it some times, but never did anything that would hurt it.
Now that I am a land owner I see what everyone here is saying. The bad apples are turning into a bad apple barrell. People today take and don't repay with anything.
This winter during hunting season my wife and I were on our property, I feel as though I should be able to be out there and not be worried about being SHOT. Well I saw someone on our land but didn't see how it was at first. The person came walking our way and it was my neighbor (to be). We talked a bit, nice fellow (his wife and kids are nice too). While we agreed that he could hunt this (past) season we agreed that we were not going to let hunting be allowed at all on our land. We have given him verbal permission to use our land as a cut between from his and the open land next to us. The terms are no shooting into it, out from it or on it. In general you can walk through and thats it. We feel that the wildlife should have some small safe haven.
I wonder if I have taken away something that he has enjoyed for a while. While I cut back his hunting grounds, he has repsected my feelings. I know there will be others who don't but that I can't help. I am an advocate for better gun control, I don't believe we should abolish them. I just feel that people don't respect what is not theirs.
If someone wants to fish, walk, hunt etc. they should ask, what is wrong with that. If the answer is no, then they have to live with it. But trespassing should carry stiffer fines.
Ol REX might not like that too much.You darn tootin,a knot head is a knot head , And you sure ain't welcome around here.
I have never called the cops to KERRIDGE in the 6 years Ive owned it.YEP,I had me a whole rick of hand tools stolen i thought hid in some brush.Had me a chian and 2 t-post on each side come up plum gone.Guess they hooked it on the hitch and hammered down on er!We dont use a gate anymore.There for awhile on FRI. and SAT. nite we got a few people that turned around and just left,OL REX!I never said you fellas had ta take any bull.You guys know me better than that.IM just saying try ta be ,.Ya , the keys aint been outa my 96 TACO at home more than a few times.
JOHN DEERE ROCKS, KERR
I have never called the cops to KERRIDGE in the 6 years Ive owned it.YEP,I had me a whole rick of hand tools stolen i thought hid in some brush.Had me a chian and 2 t-post on each side come up plum gone.Guess they hooked it on the hitch and hammered down on er!We dont use a gate anymore.There for awhile on FRI. and SAT. nite we got a few people that turned around and just left,OL REX!I never said you fellas had ta take any bull.You guys know me better than that.IM just saying try ta be ,.Ya , the keys aint been outa my 96 TACO at home more than a few times.
JOHN DEERE ROCKS, KERR
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The following is dedicated to the Ranchman, Dan McCarty, Wingnut, TerryinMD, and all the good folks out there who have an appreciation for private property and the intelligence to separate private property issues from any red herrings like whether or not someone would win a popularity contest with any particular group A N D who refrain from going for the small minded cheap shot or "ad hominem" instead of arguing "their" POV.
I guess this is where I put myself in jeopardy of being penalized for "piling-on." Oh, well (deep breath...) Is anyone here actually against the private ownership of land? Think all land should be held in common, by the community? If you are for private ownership of land, fine, what distinguishes private land from public land? Asside from taxes inheritability and the like, the main difference is control. Who controls access and use (within any CC&Rs, federal, state, county, municipality (if any) and other Government entities, other taxing authorities, and empowered legal entities. Private land use and access is controlled by the owner(s). Any ( A N Y !!!) use of or access to private property (except as abriged by one of the entities listed above) is at the discression of the owner(s).
The important issue at stake here is not how fortunate, lucky, or unlucky someone is or has been to have lived (or not) where no one locks their door (or looks both ways before crossing a street) or where everyone treats all their neighbor's property as if if were all a 60's commune. It matters not if party A has all "good" neighbors while party B has "bad" neighbors. Most of what was described was NOT neighbors tresspassing but strangers treating private land with less respect than a public toilet. Respect for land, not being a litterbug, being a safe shooter, and on and on and on are all good things BUT merit badges aren't the issue either. Morals are good but also are not the primary issue. Contributors to this thread have touched on many important issues, but most are ancillary in their relationship to the primary issue.
I understand the frustration that when vented is called whining. I deplore any cheap, character impuning, shots implying that those with problems must bring it on themselves. 'Taint neccessarily so. From personal experience I can assure you that having problems with tresspassers is not neccessarily a function of not having good neighbor relations. I like all my neighbors save one (see previous thread about crazy neighbor) I get on fine with everyone who abuts my property (160 + acres) except the one crazy. I get along fine, to the point of having dinner at each other's homes, with over 1/2 the folks within 3/4 mile of me (5 out of 8 including the crazy) More folks included on friends list if I can jerrymander a bit out to a mile or mile and a half. None of these folks have ever trespassed on my property since I bought it even though the previous owner was very liberal in letting folks run wild. Some of these folks have asked permission for their kids or grandkids to fish on specific ocasions and I said yes. I get maybe 50 requests a year from strangers to fish my ponds. I have said yes once and have never had a tense moment or a less than polite response.
Unfortunately there are many who think that they are "SPECIAL." Rules don't apply to them. They are scofflaws. They are the M E folks. ME me me me me is their mantra. Often they are dangerous to themselves and others with fires, shooting, whatever BUT I don't really care if they are neat and clean or scruffy. If they don't ask for and receive permission they are criminals when they tresspass just as if someone helped themselves to your car, frige, wife, daughter, bank account, or whatever. It matters not whether I was born with a platinum spoon in my mouth, heir to a grand estate or worked for 50 years to buy a postage stamp sized lot. If it is mine (or I have an arrangement with the bank to call it mine) then I decide who does what if anything on it. Until or unless we spiral down quite a bit further toward total socialism (we are a good way down the spiral but still have private ownership of
some things) the owner, within the law, has use and access control-----PERIOD.
Now what I consider, WHINING, is anyone who tries to make excuses for the tresspassing criminals, however camoflaged or couched in pseudo-psychological jargon or referenced to socio-economic-status-class-war-like gibberish. Is it motiviated by a supressed sense of guilt at having done the same sort of things and feeing the need to justify the tresspasser to be able to excuse some acitons of their own?
(The devil made me do it!)
(I'm back) Got my Kevlar/Nomex underwear on and standing by to see who I ticked off this time. Wainting with baited breath to see who will argue for the "rights" of criminal tresspassers and against the private ownership of land. Have I ignited a small flame, I'm sorry, here let me put it out with this can of gasoline!
Maybe Muhammed will put it to a vote and see what percentage of folks on TBN support: 1. private ownership of land, 2. increased limits of punishment for tresspassers, 3. Being on land not owned by the person in question as prima facie evidence of tresspassing, 4. liberal bounties on tresspassers (paid out of increased tresspassing fines, with a cut to the court to grease the skids), 5. enhanced powers of arrest when acting on your own property (along lines of the powers granted to a ships captain at sea but not neccessarily to include floggings or marriages)
I guess this is where I put myself in jeopardy of being penalized for "piling-on." Oh, well (deep breath...) Is anyone here actually against the private ownership of land? Think all land should be held in common, by the community? If you are for private ownership of land, fine, what distinguishes private land from public land? Asside from taxes inheritability and the like, the main difference is control. Who controls access and use (within any CC&Rs, federal, state, county, municipality (if any) and other Government entities, other taxing authorities, and empowered legal entities. Private land use and access is controlled by the owner(s). Any ( A N Y !!!) use of or access to private property (except as abriged by one of the entities listed above) is at the discression of the owner(s).
The important issue at stake here is not how fortunate, lucky, or unlucky someone is or has been to have lived (or not) where no one locks their door (or looks both ways before crossing a street) or where everyone treats all their neighbor's property as if if were all a 60's commune. It matters not if party A has all "good" neighbors while party B has "bad" neighbors. Most of what was described was NOT neighbors tresspassing but strangers treating private land with less respect than a public toilet. Respect for land, not being a litterbug, being a safe shooter, and on and on and on are all good things BUT merit badges aren't the issue either. Morals are good but also are not the primary issue. Contributors to this thread have touched on many important issues, but most are ancillary in their relationship to the primary issue.
I understand the frustration that when vented is called whining. I deplore any cheap, character impuning, shots implying that those with problems must bring it on themselves. 'Taint neccessarily so. From personal experience I can assure you that having problems with tresspassers is not neccessarily a function of not having good neighbor relations. I like all my neighbors save one (see previous thread about crazy neighbor) I get on fine with everyone who abuts my property (160 + acres) except the one crazy. I get along fine, to the point of having dinner at each other's homes, with over 1/2 the folks within 3/4 mile of me (5 out of 8 including the crazy) More folks included on friends list if I can jerrymander a bit out to a mile or mile and a half. None of these folks have ever trespassed on my property since I bought it even though the previous owner was very liberal in letting folks run wild. Some of these folks have asked permission for their kids or grandkids to fish on specific ocasions and I said yes. I get maybe 50 requests a year from strangers to fish my ponds. I have said yes once and have never had a tense moment or a less than polite response.
Unfortunately there are many who think that they are "SPECIAL." Rules don't apply to them. They are scofflaws. They are the M E folks. ME me me me me is their mantra. Often they are dangerous to themselves and others with fires, shooting, whatever BUT I don't really care if they are neat and clean or scruffy. If they don't ask for and receive permission they are criminals when they tresspass just as if someone helped themselves to your car, frige, wife, daughter, bank account, or whatever. It matters not whether I was born with a platinum spoon in my mouth, heir to a grand estate or worked for 50 years to buy a postage stamp sized lot. If it is mine (or I have an arrangement with the bank to call it mine) then I decide who does what if anything on it. Until or unless we spiral down quite a bit further toward total socialism (we are a good way down the spiral but still have private ownership of
some things) the owner, within the law, has use and access control-----PERIOD.
Now what I consider, WHINING, is anyone who tries to make excuses for the tresspassing criminals, however camoflaged or couched in pseudo-psychological jargon or referenced to socio-economic-status-class-war-like gibberish. Is it motiviated by a supressed sense of guilt at having done the same sort of things and feeing the need to justify the tresspasser to be able to excuse some acitons of their own?
(The devil made me do it!)
(I'm back) Got my Kevlar/Nomex underwear on and standing by to see who I ticked off this time. Wainting with baited breath to see who will argue for the "rights" of criminal tresspassers and against the private ownership of land. Have I ignited a small flame, I'm sorry, here let me put it out with this can of gasoline!
Maybe Muhammed will put it to a vote and see what percentage of folks on TBN support: 1. private ownership of land, 2. increased limits of punishment for tresspassers, 3. Being on land not owned by the person in question as prima facie evidence of tresspassing, 4. liberal bounties on tresspassers (paid out of increased tresspassing fines, with a cut to the court to grease the skids), 5. enhanced powers of arrest when acting on your own property (along lines of the powers granted to a ships captain at sea but not neccessarily to include floggings or marriages)
billfires
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Was going out on a Sat. morning with the better half and spotted a vehicle in the woods about 300' behind the house. I grabbed my cell phone and walked out to the vehicle. It was obvious someone was living out of this unregistered mini van but it was locked and no one around. I called the police, they stated I could have it towed at my expense. I left a note stating that if vehicle was not removed by noon Sun. it would be buried in the hole I dug in gravel pit with the NH 1920. The owner complained to the police and was told to remove it as I was serious. My wife and I are both full time firefighter/paramedics and have a good relationship with the police. The vehicle was removed before Sun. morning and haven't had another problem. I also blocked the "cart path" with stumps at one end and an 800 lb. concrete slab at the other end.
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There was case something like that back in the late 70's but w/a snow machine.
The farmer let snow machines use his land all the time,but one afternoon he put the bull in the pasture{early spring}and close both gates.
Snow machine rider was going way to fast and hit the metal gate and die.
The family file charges in court,and on the day of the hearing the judge rule for the farmer..The snow machine rider didn't have his machine under control at the time.
If the land owner nice enough to let one use his land for travel&hunting&fishing etc..than he or she shouldn't be held for the safety of those..its up to the person or persons useing the owners land.
The farmer let snow machines use his land all the time,but one afternoon he put the bull in the pasture{early spring}and close both gates.
Snow machine rider was going way to fast and hit the metal gate and die.
The family file charges in court,and on the day of the hearing the judge rule for the farmer..The snow machine rider didn't have his machine under control at the time.
If the land owner nice enough to let one use his land for travel&hunting&fishing etc..than he or she shouldn't be held for the safety of those..its up to the person or persons useing the owners land.
Chuck52
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I said, "most folks are decent." Don't remember saying you didn't have the right to protect your property. Did not quote that old (and crappy) song about signs and fencing Mother Nature in. Remember your earlier posting about the wacko neighbor who likes to trim your trees with his rifles. Did find it disturbing that someone who let other nice folks use his land was attacked (at least seemed to me) for expressing his opinion. Moved to the country myself at least in part because of the nice folks around here. I suppose "most folks are decent" is my point of view. Whining? I guess it's the vision of a gridwork of electrified fences topped with razor wire that this thread is inducing.
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